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Abby Sunderland Feared Lost at Sea
abcnews.com ^ | June 10, 2010 | ROBERT RUDMAN, MARC DORIAN and TOM McCARTHY

Posted on 06/10/2010 11:11:42 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: bboop
I was trying to think of great explorers, leaders etc. that were so young. But I can't remember the names and ages. Wasn't Alexander the Great something like 18 years old when he started?

But your post reminded me of the greatest adventurer that I knew. My grandmother! At the age of 13 she would spend weeks on end tending their sheep on the other (remote) side of the Fjord in Norway. Crawled down the mountain with an appendicitis attack and laid on a boulder sticking out from the shore a bit for a day and a night before a passing boat saw her and saved her. At the age of 15 she moved away from home to a larger city to learn how to sew. At the age of 16 she sailed for America. By herself. No friends or relatives over here. She landed in New York and asked where all the Norwegians were. Someone told her “Minnesota” so she got on a train for Minnesota.

She didn't realize it was 1500 miles away!

281 posted on 06/10/2010 2:53:06 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: jimt

I always thought these “Kid tries to sail around the World” stories were fraudulent, because they probably had a flotilla of vessels no more than 50 yards from the kid’s boat at any given time,.....but apparently not.


282 posted on 06/10/2010 2:55:02 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: r9etb
Well, it was described as a front so it should have been forecast days in advance. That would provide hundreds of miles of clearance. The blog gives no indication they realized how dangerous those conditions would be. That shows very poor judgment.

I'll elaborate: In a 40' sailboat running downwind in 30' waves + 60Kt winds with a significant cross chop = Death. The cross chop conditions very likely beat her senseless inside the boat -literally.

She may well be in the water hoping on a SAR pickup via the 121.5Mhz homing beacon or GPS signaling device. Unfortunately, she likely doesn't realize the nearest vessel is 500 miles away and that the devices' batteries will probably be depleted before they reach her. Most transmit only for 24 - 36 hr.s. I doubt this is something 'Team Abby' is up on otherwise she'd have asked for nearest vessel info via AIS reporting before it got rough. She would have then used that to calculate maximum time in water after bailout to determine Go-NoGO conditions as it set in.

283 posted on 06/10/2010 2:57:37 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Niteranger68

I am not doing any such thing. I am musing on what I would do in a similar situation.


284 posted on 06/10/2010 3:00:16 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: Justa

She had already made it through that weather. It had subsided to 35 knots and she was trying to restart her engine for charging duties. Thats when something must have gone wrong. Hopefully not fire. Fire+Boat=DoublePlusUnGood.


285 posted on 06/10/2010 3:08:44 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: jonascord

‘Who says she’s a child?’

The child welfare laws.


286 posted on 06/10/2010 3:09:06 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer Than this world dreams of.-- Idylls of the King)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; jonascord; r9etb
jonascord: ‘Who says she’s a child?’

Lucius Cornelius Sulla : The child welfare laws.

And the brain study posted in 269 by r9etb

287 posted on 06/10/2010 3:12:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: jimt

“permantality ? I think the word you wanted was permanence.” Yes, that’s FR’s spellcheck for you, but, I think you knew that.

“She’s doing something quite dangerous, with the approval, backing and knowledge of her parents.”

Therein lies the problem.

“In my examples, I was doing something stupidly dangerous, without even the knowledge of my parents.”

Assuming there was due diligence on their part, can’t blame them for that.


288 posted on 06/10/2010 3:19:23 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Doohickey
The world is running out of adventurers.

As I stated previously, the only adventurers were the parents who sent their child out onto the ocean for a minimum of a 6 month journey alone in a small sailboat.............

289 posted on 06/10/2010 3:20:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Ok, I see that, thanks. Maybe she’s still in the boat with no power and is signaling an SOS due to loss of electrical? But then why pop both EPIRB and PLB and make no satellite calls? The rogue waves usually follow the storms. Hopefully she’s not in the water.


290 posted on 06/10/2010 3:21:34 PM PDT by Justa
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To: CaliforniaCon
if she does not survive, at least she died doing something she really wanted to do.

Not quite, she died so her parents could live the experience vicariously as being the parents of the youngest child ever to be sent out onto the ocean alone in a sailboat.......

Fame and fortune for the parents, despite the outcome of the now apparent tragic voyage........

291 posted on 06/10/2010 3:25:37 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Justa

One can hope. I’d hate to be in an automated sailboat without electrical in heavy weather...

Or in the water. Its winter down there, and she is in an area few dare to tread at this time of year. Her parents probably should have told her not to continue on after she had to port in SA. Thats the problem I have with them. Letting your 16 y/o kid sail solo around the globe? It has been done. Let her sail in the killer seas of a Southern Hemisphere winter? Not so much.


292 posted on 06/10/2010 3:30:17 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: Hot Tabasco; Doohickey

“The world is running out of adventurers.”

Yea baby, let’s send our children needlessly into harms way for the sake of adventurism.


293 posted on 06/10/2010 3:30:20 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Retired Greyhound
"1. Why doesn’t she have an escort?"

That was the first thing that my family and I thought of. That should have been a given when the trip was first planned. A young girl, no matter how skilled a sailor, could fall victim to a host of things sailing solo in a vast body of water. In this instance it seems it was bad weather, but what about the possibility of pirates and other nefarious types, or am I being too much of a melodramatic mom in my thinking? Prayers that they find her alive and well.

294 posted on 06/10/2010 3:36:49 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Justa

It’s winter down there. It will be 2 days at the earliest until a ship gets close to her last reported location.


295 posted on 06/10/2010 4:05:54 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Mila
pirates and other nefarious types, or am I being too much of a melodramatic mom in my thinking?

Generally not in the route she was on......but with that being said, it's not pirates, it's the ever changing weather and the false belief that all your onboard GPS and electronics will forever protect you.

Nature shows no mercy which has been proven time and time again.............

On a dumbass voyage such as this, these parents bet the life of their daughter that the weather would be merciful on her trip so they could get their names and daughter into the history books........and it sounds like they lost. How tragic!

296 posted on 06/10/2010 4:07:25 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: 21twelve

Cool!


297 posted on 06/10/2010 4:11:29 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: Grunthor

At 16, i was piloting a Cessna through Appalachia, at night, watching the ice build up on the wings and spinner.

it’s not a matter of age, but maturity.


298 posted on 06/10/2010 4:12:56 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: tcrlaf

Sending a 16 year old around the world on a boat alone is perfectly safe, I mean, what could possibly happen?


299 posted on 06/10/2010 4:17:25 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 16 days.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Poor thang.


300 posted on 06/10/2010 4:18:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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