Did Obama actually SAY this at the 2008 Dem Convention? Hard to believe..

[mkjessup]

Or let's just go bury our heads in the sand regarding a possible explanation for an ambiguous statement. The question about where I come from is a complex one for me.

I think the ambiguous statement would mean nothing if it had been spoken by any ordinary person, but when it's the alleged-First/alleged-Lady of the United States, when viewed in the context of the obvious subterfuge and evasion that has been the hallmark of the alleged-President, it is more fuel on the fire.

I understand how the question of "where did one come from" can be complex for many Americans, including you, but unlike the Pretenda from Kenya, such citizens haven't sought to conceal their origins from the public at the cost of approximately a million in legal fees when a $12 document would have settled the issue.

Happy Easter to you FRiend.

[mkjessup]

Please see my #41, thanx.

[El Gato]

Can you point where in the Constitution it defines what a natural born citizen is?

Right after you point out where it defines "militia", or "arms". Maybe "habeas corpus"or "regulate".

However one of the Delegates from South Carolina (although he was Pennsylvania boy, graduated U Penn 1773 as an MD) to the Continental Congress (1782-1783 and 1785-1786), historian David Ramsay, who also served in SC militia as a field surgeon, did define it for us. He was the author of several historical works including the two volumne History of the American Revolution" (1789), "the first American national history written by an American revolutionary and printed in America".

Ramsay's pamphlet, "A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen" (1789) defines what the founders meant by "natural born citizen". The definition is not good for Obama.

[El Gato]

Then please see the first law passed by the first Congress that defined a Natural Born Citizen - the only law to do so, and one passed by the men who wrote the Constitution - called the Naturalization Act of 1790 that stated a Natural Born Citizen could be born off of US soil, which is opposite of Vattel, the typical resource used by those that claim Obama is not an NBC.

Actually that law, which was after all repealed 5 years later and replaced with a new statute without the NBC language, said that persons born beyond the sea or out of limits of the United States, "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If that had been included in the original definition, then they would not have put it into a law, as there would have been no need. The 1795 act which replaced the 1790 act, left out the words "natural born" from it's similar provision. And that provision is still the law today.

Even Vattel provided that some persons born of citizen parents outside the territorial jurisdiction of a nation to be natural born citizens. For instance those "born in the armies of the nation" or in it's diplomatic corps.

[FreeAtlanta]

He has so many stories, I wonder if he even can keep them straight in his twisted little mind.

[tired_old_conservative]

“His father being an British citizen at Obama’s birth has never been disputed. Obama admitted to a dual citizenship. The problem is getting the courts to acknowledge that NBC does not mean only one US citizen.”

That will prove an insurmountable problem.

[tutstar]

Do you have a link for the speech?

[Drew68]

Do you have a link for the speech?

Which one? There's probably 100 speeches where Obama mentions that his father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

[tutstar]

DUH! The quote that cycle of discernment has posted as the thread topic.

[omegadawn]

The founding fathers believed that citizenship was a birthright. That Natural Born Citizenship was acquired by birth to to American citizens whether at home or across the seas. The 14 amendment states that you are a citizen if you are born here on American soil,AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof refers to the allegiance of your parents. If your parents are American citizens( you are Natural Born) or are becoming American citizens(naturalization) then you are a citizen(naturalized) at birth. If obama was born in Hawaii,then he is a native born naturalized citizen(Wong KIm Ark,Supreme Court)not a Natural Born citizen. obama is not egible to be the President and thus not legally the President. p.s. the 14th amendment was never legally ratified as the Southern states(and one northern state) were not allowed to vote because they opposed it.

[edge919]

Why would Obama’s father and mother presume that the child they were having would live in America?? If they had a serious relationship, his little natural born subject behind would still be in Kenya now.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

So who, born on US soil, is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US? Who, in fact, residing or visiting ANYWHERE within the boundaries of the United States, is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US?

Does Obama fall into that category? Was his father immune from the laws of the United States?

[omegadawn]

In the words of the Senator Howard(writer of the 14th.) ,children of foreigners,aliens, diplomats are not SUBJECTS OF THE JURISDICTION. As many liberals are doing now , you are assuming that the word subject meant the same thing now as it did at the time the 14 th. amendment was wrote. Subject at the time of the 14th. refered to the allegiance of the parents. Assuming obama was born in Hawaii he is a Native(partial alliegiance) born citizen( per U.S. Supreme court Wong Kim Ark). Any person in the U.S. (except diplomats) are subject( held responsible for) any crimes committed on U.S. soil , this does not make them subjects( citizens) of the U.S. Full allegiance is required for both parents to be considered Natural Born under Article 2 of the Constitution. A good example of how the meaning of words can change over time is the word gay This was a common word in the 1890's that meant being happy. if I used the modern useage for the word, then in the 1890's (refered to as the Gay Ninetys) everyone was homosexual at that time! American need to have a better understanding of the Constitution so that politicans can not be rewriting it all the time by misreading it.

[lucysmom]

A person who is natural born requires no laws to define their citizenship. Only a “natural born” citizen is constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

Then there are no natural born citizens because all citizenship is defined by law.

[Beckwith]

Then there are no natural born citizens because all citizenship is defined by law.

But, we're not discusses citizenship, are we? We are discussing "eligibility."

I realize some of you people don't grasp the distinction.

[lucysmom]

But, we're not discusses citizenship, are we? We are discussing "eligibility."

I realize some of you people don't grasp the distinction.

I was responding to what you wrote:

A person who is natural born requires no laws to define their citizenship. Only a “natural born” citizen is constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

Once again, bottom line, all citizenship is created/defined by law.

[Beckwith]

Eligibility — eligibility — eligibility.

Respond to that.

[curiosity]

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything in that sentence that would suggest he was born outside the US. What am I missing?

[lucysmom]

Eligibility — eligibility — eligibility.

Respond to that.

Yes sir!

If you don't gotta do nothin to be a citizen, youse a NBC for presidentin purposes.