Posted on 03/29/2010 2:17:12 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
i’m not projecting nothing
what about masturbation?
paul wasn’t a priest. he was an apostle who spread the word
Nicely said!
Yeah, that's one of the things about projection.
what about masturbation?
I don't think I want to go there with you.
I have to ask: Certainly you don't think all your passions and desires are uncontrollable?
tou idiou oikou kalos proistamenon tekna echonta en hupotage meta pases semnotetos
Ideally, one whom presides over his own household; holding his children, with all due gravity, in subjection.
As a lifelob=ng Catholic with eons at Catholic girl’s schools and two aunts who are nuns, I have never heard of celibacy referred to as a “gift”.
I often hear of it as a “sacrifice” to Christ ... giving up something to honor God. And sacrifice is a cornerstone of Catholicism.
To say it is a “gist” means that some may not receive that gift, but a sacrifice is free for anyone to give.
“paul wasn’t a priest. he was an apostle who spread the word”
Yet why would Paul say that the one who does not marry, do better? Is that not in scripture? He is clearly preaching to the faithful and clearly, his words here are just as authoritative as others.
He is arguing that to marry, one does not sin, it is a concession, and not a commandment.
>> None of the Above. I’m a Baptist. If I were called to lead a church ... I’d have married the same lovely and gracious woman that I am currently married to. Celibacy is not among my options ... so your question might be better directed elsewhere.
SnakeDoc <<
Fair answer, thanks for your honesty
i’m not talking about myself if i was then it would be projecting
Again, from 1 Cor 7:9
“Yet I wish that all men were like me. However each man has his own gift from God, one of this kind, and another of that kind. But I say to the unmarried and to widows, it is good for them if they remain even as I am. But if they don’t have self-control, let them marry. For it’s better to marry than to burn.”
So it is, in a way, a spiritual gift!
so not one catholic priest who supposedly isn’t married and is celibate is “ideal”. how can that be?
Are you arguing that he must have children and if he doesn’t have children that he cannot be a priest?
He must be of one woman, (for obvious reasons), and he must be in control of his household. This is the ideal for those who are married and who have children.
“Yet why would Paul say that the one who does not marry, do better? Is that not in scripture?”
He’s not talking about qualifications for bishop
>> OMG, Weakland GAY???!!!
Who’s next? Ricky Martin? <<
Greeeeat, thansk to you I can’t listen to Livin’ La Vida Yokel....Whatever, :)
So only men and women who have a “gift” should become priests or nuns? Not what I learned about giving one’s life to Christ. Not everyone will receive the gift ... but anyone can sacrifice.
i’m not saying it the bible is saying it
If he honestly believed everything else about his church’s faith, then given what he believed about himself, the honest thing, the professional thing for him to have done in the beginning was to resign; not continue in any official capacity dishonestly.
I don’t have sympathy for ANYONE who thinks an organization whose beliefs they oppose is required to accept them into the organization. Such thoughts go 100% against the natural order of liberty, which expects “free association” - you associate with whom you freely chose to - to be it’s paramount feature.
Then you can imagine that for people - other than yourself - it isn't true that "marriage is supposed to be most about sex." And that what is not "humanly possible" for you might be possible for others.
If not, you just might be projecting.
>> To say it is a “gist” means that some may not receive that gift, but a sacrifice is free for anyone to give.
Paul made it clear that it is a sacrifice that most are incapable of making. Thus, the capability is a rare gift.
SnakeDoc
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