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Ron Paul and the “Cujo” Effect
Renew America ^ | 03-04-10 | Paul A. Ibbetson

Posted on 03/04/2010 6:05:43 PM PST by 1pitech

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To: Captain Kirk
I like Ron Paul and think Medina is a kook.

Ron Paul doesn't.

61 posted on 03/06/2010 11:12:30 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Captain Kirk
Paul's repeated and clear-cut rejection of the truther theory

From "The Alex Jones Show" (1/17/2007):

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I'm tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.
(*Notice that nowhere in Paul's response does he deal with his crazed supporter's assertion of "bogus garbage about terrorism"... if anything, he feeds into it with his talk of a government "cover-up".)

He's as clear-as-mud. I've already said he's too smart to outright endorse the "inside job" theory. What he does is calls for investigations into "9/11 truth", accuses "neocons" (Zionists) of wanting a Pearl Habor-type event to advance their agenda, appears with and endorses all manner of outspoken truthers (Jones, Ventura, Kokesh), and actively courts truther support, as seen HERE. He's very deliberate in the way he solicits the support of young, energetic, often drug-addled truthers, and he's very careful not to alienate them when denying that he's actually one of them (which I don't think he is, as I've also already stated). It's all very nuanced, very Clintonian.

The bottom line is, if you publicly reject this vile school of thought while promoting those who actively support it, you're one of them. All the nuance in the world doesn't change that. It may fool some people, but it doesn't change the reality. But since Paul's supporters are divorced from reality, his strategy works like a charm with them.

62 posted on 03/06/2010 11:16:59 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Ah, yes...I had forgotten about that Paul interview on the Alex Jones Show (he's done so many) where he said things will be better with the Democrats in charge of oversight as he encourages that moonbat truther who called in.

Ron Paul is a looney-tune fruitcake.

63 posted on 03/06/2010 11:20:37 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Allegra

You keep ignoring the fact that Paul did NOT endorse Mendina. What gives with that? You seem to have the view that Paul should rudely and personally denounce on an individual basis every truther that supports him? Is that your view? If it is, do you believe that Palin and other GOP candidates have obligation to rudely and personally denounce all birthers on an individual basis?


64 posted on 03/06/2010 11:26:04 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Wow....is that the best you can do?! Pathetic. The fact that Paul wants to investigate who the government 9-11 doesn’t make him a truther. Paul has made it crystal clear that he thinks Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks.


65 posted on 03/06/2010 11:28:38 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Let me repeat my question. Do you believe that Palin has obligation to reject all support from the kooky birthers?


66 posted on 03/06/2010 11:30:31 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

That’s “investigate how the government responded to 9-11”).


67 posted on 03/06/2010 11:31:36 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
LOL - go back and find any post where I've said Ron Paul endorsed Medina. I have pointed out their strong ties. In fact, Medina got her start in politics by being a staunch Ron Paul volunteer/acolyte.

And Paul certainly did "tout" Medina in the gubernatorial primary as the link notes in his own words.

Ron Paul did wholeheartedly endorse Adam Kokesh, however. Lovely.

68 posted on 03/06/2010 11:34:59 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Captain Kirk
do you believe that Palin and other GOP candidates have obligation to rudely and personally denounce all birthers on an individual basis?

If "birtherism", the belief that the President is concealing something because of his failure to release common documents and records, was even slightly comparable to "trutherism", the belief that George Bush plotted an attack on U.S. civilians and landmarks to advance a Zionist agenda, you might have a point. But they're not, so you don't.

The fact that you think they're comparable is telling though.

69 posted on 03/06/2010 11:36:35 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Captain Kirk

See #69. Equating “birthers” with “truthers” is a leftist tactic straight out of Podesta’s playbook. It’s not at all surprising to see that you’re fully on-board with it.

Do you believe Barack Obama’s life story as it’s told in “Dreams from My Father”? You don’t question anything in his past?


70 posted on 03/06/2010 11:42:15 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Paul has made it crystal clear that he thinks Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks.

Of course he does. Regularly. On "The Alex Jones Show".

71 posted on 03/06/2010 11:46:09 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I give up. I answer your questions and you evade my questions. You obviously don’t want a serious discussion.


72 posted on 03/06/2010 1:15:44 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

A birther kook!!!


73 posted on 03/06/2010 1:16:57 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

So that’s a “yes”. You buy the Obama package entirely. To the surprise of absolutely no one.


74 posted on 03/06/2010 1:31:27 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Which question did I evade, Truther?


75 posted on 03/06/2010 1:32:13 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

As I said before, I’m not a “truther?” I think both truthers and birthers are loons. They actually have a lot in common in terms of methods of argument. Both are oblivious of facts.


76 posted on 03/06/2010 8:43:23 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

You have some facts about Obama’s mysterious origins you’d like to share? You’ve seen the long form? You’ve seen his college records? Are you privy to some explanation as to how his mother was attending school in Seattle two weeks after his birth? Or are just accepting the “Dreams” life story on faith because he’s been so honest and forthright throughout his political career?

The man’s the biggest liar to ever occupy the office. But don’t worry, nobody with even a passing familiarity with your history here expects you to entertain any ill thoughts about Lord Zero. After all, you’re on the same team.

Scratch a Paultard, find an Obot.


77 posted on 03/06/2010 9:07:32 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Didn’t the “intelligence” come back as shaky at best? Or is that just part of the lie? I’ve heard (likely a liberal lie) that it was basically all based on only one source that couldn’t be confirmed by anyone else.

I always thought that this criticism wasn’t one that Bush should have taken on the chin as he famously did with his other detractions.


78 posted on 03/06/2010 9:09:39 PM PST by Feline_AIDS (youngandright.wordpress.com)
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To: Feline_AIDS
Nothing that I listed above has been disproved or effectively discredited. The theory that Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi consul Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani (these people have too many damn names) in Prague was refuted by the FBI because they had car rental records to the contrary (and we all know how good the FBI was at keeping tabs on Atta), but the Czech government stands by their story. And it should be noted, they expelled al-Ani for meeting with the "Hamburg student" and plotting to attack Radio Free Europe four months prior to the 9/11 attacks, before anyone even knew who Atta was. But regardless, I omitted it because of the FBI's refutation, even though I don't accept it.

Some of what was listed, such as the camp at Salman Pak (we have photographic evidence of the camp and the plane used to train hijackers) and the case of 1993 WTC bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin aren't based on intelligence, but are known and irrefutable facts.

The "lone source" you're referring to was the man known as "Curveball" (Iraqi defector Rafid Ahmed Alwan), who did provide some questionable and some outright false intelligence. But that was regarding Saddam's weapons program, not his extensive al Qaeda ties. Another reason why Powell's insistence on emphasizing a weapons program that had been dismantled and relocated to Syria in the 18 month "rush to war" was such an utter disaster. Saddam's direct links to AQ should have been the casus belli for an immediate invasion of Iraq in the days after 9/11. Instead, they played nice with the U.N. for a year and a half and tried to take Baghdad as liberators rather than avengers. Tactically, it seems to be working out pretty well. Politically, it was a cataclysmic miscalculation.

79 posted on 03/07/2010 8:17:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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