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More bogus AGW information in IPCC report? ( Now about the Data regarding the Amazon ...)
Hot Air ^ | January 26, 2010 12:55 pm | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/26/2010 9:16:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ugh...I had to put this down for a second. I’ve been reading so many papers by the WWF lately my head is about to explode. Just a minute...going for more coffee...


21 posted on 01/26/2010 10:42:03 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
"...climate change could cause..."

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Ahh... that "could" word again.
It seem to have a different meaniing when used in an IPCC/AWG report....:^)

22 posted on 01/26/2010 10:52:56 PM PST by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: az_gila
From the paper:

Two important pieces of scientific evidence are emerging which should revolutionise the forest fire debate and move it from being seen as a peripheral environmental, social and economic issue into a central issue of concern for the international community.

Firstly, there is mounting evidence that forest fires will increase in number and size due to a link between climate change and the climate phenomenon called El Niño, which caused the drought that affected much of the forests which caught fire in 1997 and 98. The frequency and intensity of El Niño could be increasing1, which means the world faces warmer more violent weather, and more forest fires.

Second, while some experts believe that it is too early to say when the next El Niño will occur, others say it might be within eighteen months, it will likely be before the forests that burnt last time have had a chance to recover. New evidence from the Amazon has concluded that fire causes a positive feedback cycle in which the more tropical forests burn the more susceptible to future burning they become. This raises the possibility of large wildfire episodes happening more frequently and on such a scale that tropical forest ecosystems will not endure. The scientists believe the whole Amazon itself is threatened, which has global consequences for biodiversity and climate change2

1 K. E. Trenberth & T. J. Hoar, The 1990-1995 El Niño-Southern Oscillation Event: Longest on Record, Geophysical Research Letters, 1996, Vol. 23, No. 1, pp57-60; K. E. Trenberth, and T. J. Hoar. El Niño and Climate Change, Geophysics Research Letters, 1997, Vol. 24, no.23, pp.3057-3060

2 D. C. Nepstad, A. G. Moreira, & A. A. A l e n c a r, Flames in the Rain Forest: Origins, Impacts and Alternatives to Amazonian Fire, Pilot Program to Conserve the Brazilian Rain Forest. Ministry of Environment, Secretariat for the Co-ordination of the Amazon, 1999

Let's look up these two references. I already know that Trenberth is implicated in the climategate email scandal.

23 posted on 01/26/2010 11:07:29 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: az_gila

ROTFLMAO!!!!

#2 WAS WRITTEN BY WOODS HOLE RESEARCH CENTER!!!!

John Holdren...Obama’s Science Advisor used to run this group.

http://www.fire.uni-freiburg.de/iffn/pub/pub_8.htm


24 posted on 01/26/2010 11:13:30 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping to this one


25 posted on 01/26/2010 11:15:02 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Never let a good crisis go to waste by not using it to raid and rob all the villages."

26 posted on 01/27/2010 3:03:53 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Desdemona; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; mmanager; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 01/27/2010 4:05:57 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I would say all the criminals should be tried at the ICC, but that would take too long. We’re talking curriculum changed in schoolbooks, brainwashed kids, cars, lightbulbs, construction, huge money scammed on a global scale.

They should be shot, after they’re in jail for thirty years.

All of them.

Yet no one does nothing.


28 posted on 01/27/2010 5:42:38 AM PST by AliVeritas (Is it nothing to you all ye who pass by? Our brothers blood screams from the ground.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I bookmarked this post for closer readings as time permits.


29 posted on 01/27/2010 10:54:35 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
Thanks E!
 
Catastrophism
 
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · subscribe ·
 

30 posted on 01/27/2010 5:27:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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31 posted on 01/27/2010 6:07:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: cogitator
Ping of interest. Numbers pulled from someone's arse and used in IPCC AR4 report, saying “Up to 40% of the Amazonian forests could [become]...tropical savannas.” That person's arse now cannot be found anywhere.

Tropical savannas:
http://www.runet.edu/~swoodwar/CLASSES/GEOG235/biomes/savanna/savanna.html

Plus, at least 18 more items that were not peer reviewed (as was required for all used research), yet quoted and attributed to extreme AGW advocates (WWF) or from the highly-esteemed journals, “Leisure” and “Event Management.”

Available here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-scandal-deepens-ipcc-ar4-riddled-with-non-peer-reviewed-wwf-papers/

32 posted on 01/27/2010 7:25:07 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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From this thread:

Thanks Dr. J.P. Costella: the climate floodgates are opening

and this is an absolute must read:

climategate_analysis.pdf

This is just outstanding....chronological analysis and commentary on the emails ...and an excellent overview as to why this is so troubling to scientists....

33 posted on 01/29/2010 1:57:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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See #33....Also this related thread...regards Dr Mann at Penn State.:

Thanks Dr. J.P. Costella: the climate floodgates are opening

34 posted on 01/29/2010 2:04:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nice post.


35 posted on 01/29/2010 3:32:45 PM PST by GOPJ (Once the field is level, a global Marxist state is just a few hundred million dead malcontents away.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I downloaded the pdf.
Thanks.
I will read through the rest of it later.

Reading part of it gave me an eery feeling.

Mann et al. whether intended or not were un-inventing
the use of energy to drive us backwards
into the dark ages.

36 posted on 01/29/2010 4:35:13 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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