Avatar the movie: the religion of the left

Renew America ^ | 12-25-09 | Phill Kline - Review & Commentary

[70times7]

I don't understand the insistence that this, a science-fiction movie, should have anything to do with reality.

The message I got from this movie was NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO STEAL FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

I believe that is in the Bible.

You think the film can be justified by finding one of the commandments in it? (BTW, you need not believe it is there; It actually is)

You say it is wrong to insist the movie has any relationship to reality, and in the very next sentence you connect the movie with reality...

I had discussed this movie with my sons when it came out. Last week one of them came home from high school to inform me of a classmate who claimed that Avatar was just like America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If one needs lessons in the power of propaganda visit the Holocaust museum. One can see the films and books that portray the "evil Jews" and extol the virtues of the Reich. The journey starts on the top floor; it shows a world not all that different than ours. The trip is a downward spiral. Floor by floor one goes from that world all the way down to the very bottom. One can see the human inflicted misery that included mass murders, gas filled showers, ovens and horrific experiments.

I don’t know what direction the next such attack on humanity will come from. Do you? I would prefer such brainwashing be left in museums rather than being alive and well and received as "no big deal" by those who are too ignorant to see and resist.

If America was rational and educated it probably wouldn’t be a big deal. But then cap and trade, socialized health care, and Obama would not be big deals either, would they?

Hey, it's just a children’s book. What's the problem? You are reading things into it...

Page from the anti-Semitic German children's book, 'Der Giftpilz' ( The Poisonous Toadstool). The text reads, " 'He who fights against Jews, wrestles with the devil.' Julius Streicher." The advertisement in the illustration reads, "Julius Streicher speaks in the Volkshalle about The Jews are our misfortune." 1935

[Mr. Silverback]

Yeah, and on the positive side...Uncle Tom's Cabin was just a book, and it was written by an activist with an ax to grind who'd never been to a plantation, so why would anyone take it seriously? It's just fiction, what does it matter?

[IggyDad]

It seems Kline was too preoccupied with framing the movie into his preconceived notions to notice that none of the “soldiers” were wearing US military uniforms. They were, in fact, private mercenaries, hired to drive the local residents off their land (so much for his respect for private property rights). There are only two characters that we know were former Marines, one of whom is the hero of the film. Maybe the amazing popularity of this movie shows that people aren’t afraid of taking a new look at things. Kneejerk reactions, right or left, are tiresome.

[Mr. Silverback]

1. If the statements of the writer and director of a movie match the "kneejerk reactions," are they still kneejerk reactions?

2. Did the fact that all the main human characters are whites and all the people providing voices for the primitive, cornrow-wearing aliens were non-whites strike you as unusual? No possible message there?

3. Unobtanium? Really?

[70times7]

This movie could have been made in a way to remove it from "earth". It is wishful and misguided thinking to conclude Cameron had no additional motive in it's construction. Although he may have made a business decision to tap into environmentalism and anti imperialism in order to align with the Obama voters, I don't believe it. The egos of people like Cameron are just too damn big for them to avoid thinking they are influencing their viewers.

One of my sons saw Avatar yesterday. His friends wanted to see it and he thought it would at least be a good sci fi story. He is able to suspend disbelief and get into a movie. He said, "it sucked", and that the reason is the bombardment of the movie’s message.

I contend:
1) Cameron deliberately made this film a propaganda vehicle.
2) His doing so screws up the movie.
3) People are receiving the anti American message he is pushing.

To be fair, I have not seen this movie. I prefer to avoid supporting such efforts with my money. I am basing this on the reviews I have read, both positive and negative, and the comments of those who have seen it.

As Mr. Silverback has pointed out, media can be used to move sentiments toward good goals or bad. Uncle Tom's Cabin is an excellent example of what could be left handedly described as "good propaganda". The same can be said for the obvious pro war movies and news reels from the 40s.

Our children are bombarded with anti western and anti American messages in all forms of media and in school. In my opinion, breaking apart this assault to individual items in order to say it is no big deal is intentionally ignorant and dangerous.

If anyone wants to see a completely enjoyable and very well done "message" movie go rent Wall-E.

[Little Ray]

The movie was asinine, written by a person who doesn’t understand technology. My wife liked it. She doesn’t pay attention to the messages.
If you have a super-shuttle like the one shown, you don’t use it as a “bomber.” You have it loft a package (a damn big rock) into a suborbital trajectory. When it arrives at the target at a velocity of 3-5 miles per second, its “game over.” There’s nothing left but a big crater.
Likewise, you don’t’ have you chopper gunships flying around slowly in formation, you keep them fast, loose, and working in pairs.
Finally, if unobtainium is necessary for the survival of Earth, we’ll be back. And this time we’ll do the job from orbit... and make very, very sure its done right.

[Little Ray]

Doesn’t matter if DO make it. You have to get past the gatekeepers into the theaters. That won’t be allowed to happen.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Revealing your true Troll colors newbie?

“Taking a new look at things” is what has placed our liberty, our society, it's shaken morality and it's future economic health in complete jeopardy.

Only moderate RINOs would see this reaction as “knee jerk”. Conservatives who see reality have correctly identifies what drives this evil force into accepting complacency and soft tyranny in the name of environmentalist fundamentalism.

This article is spot on. If you don't like the fact that us Conservatives see this as it truly is, then you might consider going back to a more Liberal blog of your choice, which better suits your philosophy.

[70times7]

The more I read about this POS the more I am glad I have avoided it. How Cameron can imagine carpet bombing we have used since 'Nam would not be used to flaten the surface of a planet we don't even occupy is absurd.

My best friend humorously founded the "Brown Earth Society" on the net. His motto? Earth First! We'll strip mine the other planets later.

[70times7]

My bad!

I missed pinging you (IggyDad) in my post 105 - and the reply was primarily for you. The two most applicable sentences are:

It is wishful and misguided thinking to conclude Cameron had no additional motive in it's construction.

and

In my opinion, breaking apart this assault to individual items in order to say it is no big deal is intentionally ignorant and dangerous.

[Huck]

Doesn’t matter if DO make it. You have to get past the gatekeepers into the theaters. That won’t be allowed to happen.

Not impressed with your "can't do" attitude. But seriously, the conservative movement needs to think much BIGGER, and much more LONG TERM. Presumably, within the entire conservative movement, there is enough money for a few souls with extremely deep pockets (Limbaugh) to buy or form an entertainment conglomerate. If Limbaugh has the dough to buy a football team, he has the money to buy or form an entertainment company.

Such a company would have to be more than just a small concern dedicated to solely conservative-themed movies. It would have to be a legitimate business, and would have to produce enough movies of varying styles to stay profitable.

But among the entire range of movies produced could be movies with conservatve themes. And not overt, ham-handed, obvious ones. Not where the conservative theme was so obvious as to obscure the entertainment value.

Conservatives need to grab the reins of cultural power and get in the game. Why should Limbaugh waste his money on a football team, which has no significant cultural influence or value, when he could buy into something with strategic value?

There are a million small ways conservatives could subtley effect the culture. How about creating apps for Iphones? Maybe one is just a humor app---it gives you jokes. And many of the jokes could have a conservative slant. How about a history app for kids, that has a conservative slant.

But they ought not advertise the slant. The idea is to INFILTRATE the mainstream. Just act as if the ideas are normal (which they are.) Do not mention the political slant. Infiltrate.

[Mr. Silverback]

Doesn’t matter if DO make it. You have to get past the gatekeepers into the theaters. That won’t be allowed to happen.

Not necessarily. Take a look at Fireproof.

It cost half a million to make and made 33 million. Plus, some people in Hollywood are beginning to catch on to the fact that Christians are a large and neglected market. If they can go one step further and realize that the same is true of conservatives, we'll get movies that make Cameron rip his hair out.

[Mr. Silverback]

Well put.