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What Defines an Organism? Biologists Say 'Purpose.'
ICR News ^ | December 10, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/10/2009 8:12:50 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: xcamel
Now that wasn’t so hard.

LOL! If it's 'not so hard' why can't the exact chemical compounds be named?

Chain reactions occurred between what chemicals?

What triggered the reactions?

If the components were already there, why did protolife appear first?

What caused proto life turn into life?

What kind of 'life' did the protolife evolve into?

Can scientists reproduce this birth of life under controlled conditions?

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Just a few simple questions need to be answered before conjecture can be accepted as a scientific fact, IMHO.

141 posted on 12/10/2009 1:27:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (If man evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?)
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To: IronKros; Hank Kerchief

The Big Bang, yes.

Abiogenesis and the ToE, not so much.

Evos only want it to be separate and not all of them think it is. There’s disagreement within the scientific community on that as well.

For the record, could you tell me what the first cells evolved from? What was the selective pressure on common ancestor of the first cells that produced them?


142 posted on 12/10/2009 1:28:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MamaTexan

Evolution does not and never did address the origin of life. It is about what happened and is happened after life arose.

No matter how many times GGG (Old Yellowstain) and his groupies are told that this is the case, they ignore it.


143 posted on 12/10/2009 1:29:01 PM PST by Wacka
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To: jimt
I in no way limit God. I cannot. God's Word tells us how creation unfolded and contrary to Darwinism tells us man has fallen not become perfected or advanced.
Now if this is some sort of metaphor for evolution then we must conclude what the rest of God's Word says about man's condition must also be some sort of metaphor. Or simply the pious but erroneous thoughts of the writers.

Evolution is by it's own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all.

Limit God? Not at all, He can do as He wishes and that is beside the point of what He DID do. What is difficult to understand is why suggest God used evolution if evolutionary theory has an explanation for the existence of all things including man and, moreover, says it can explain all characteristics of man's makeup, conscience, religious feelings, altruism, morality, on and on.

Why do you try to put God in the theory of evolution?

144 posted on 12/10/2009 1:30:21 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
Abiogenesis is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter.

TOE is the study of how organisms change over time.
145 posted on 12/10/2009 1:31:04 PM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: Wacka
"First it was the strawberries..."

(I couldn't find a good shot of Jerry Paris from the film.)

146 posted on 12/10/2009 1:31:09 PM PST by stormer
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To: MamaTexan

Give me a billion years, and I’m sure I can make something of it...

Oh wait.. the fossil and the geologic record bears it all out... what was I thinking..

You and GGG failed the same 6th grade science class, didn’t you...


147 posted on 12/10/2009 1:32:41 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: IronKros

Big Bang Theory- Good TV show.

Most of us geeks are like the guy with the hot girlfriend, not the Sheldon character. Sheldon’s’s so screwed up because his mother is a holy roller.

Hey crevos just watch the song in the intro, you might learn something.


148 posted on 12/10/2009 1:32:49 PM PST by Wacka
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To: IronKros; Hank Kerchief

It all depends on what you mean:

http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html


149 posted on 12/10/2009 1:34:03 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Wacka
Yes, I just netflix'd the first 2 seasons.

I know guys with those traits. :)
150 posted on 12/10/2009 1:34:41 PM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: GodGunsGuts

And that article supports YEC how?


151 posted on 12/10/2009 1:36:37 PM PST by stormer
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To: MamaTexan; xcamel
If it's 'not so hard' why can't the exact chemical compounds be named?

You mean like water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2) hit with electricity to produce amino acids which combine to form proteins?

CO2 → CO + [O] (atomic oxygen)
CH4 + 2[O] → CH2O + H2O
CO + NH3 → HCN + H2O
CH4 + NH3 → HCN + 3H2

152 posted on 12/10/2009 1:36:57 PM PST by mnehring
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To: xcamel
Oh wait.. the fossil and the geologic record bears it all out... what was I thinking..

Apparently the capacity is beyond you since you side stepped any direct answer to the questions posed.

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You and GGG failed the same 6th grade science class, didn’t you...

Oh, a purile response from a self proclaimed expert. How predictable.

153 posted on 12/10/2009 1:37:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (If man evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?)
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To: count-your-change
Last time I set you straight on this one..

"Darwin's Evolution is by it's own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all."

Old Chuck has been dead a long time. the science and the theory have **evolved** a great deal, much like the airplane and the telephone.

So next time you go flying off on this old canard, call someone who cares.

154 posted on 12/10/2009 1:38:11 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: mnehring
Thank you for your detailed response.

Would you happen to know how much electricity is required to produce amino acids?

155 posted on 12/10/2009 1:40:49 PM PST by MamaTexan (If man evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?)
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To: IronKros

The first cells were organisms.

What change happened to the *protolife* to make it an organism?


156 posted on 12/10/2009 1:41:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xcamel

Last time I set you straight on this one..
“Darwin’s Evolution is by it’s own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all.”

Old Chuck has been dead a long time. the science and the theory have **evolved** a great deal, much like the airplane and the telephone.

So next time you go flying off on this old canard, call someone who cares.


157 posted on 12/10/2009 1:42:25 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mnehring
Some of which were seeded directly by GASP!...Meteorites!
158 posted on 12/10/2009 1:42:42 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: MamaTexan

Just because you don’t like the answer....


159 posted on 12/10/2009 1:43:32 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: MamaTexan

In the lab, the Miller–Urey experiment (reproducible) required very little, a small spark triggered the chemical reaction. I’ll see if I can find the specifics, but I know it was low power, the description was to create the effects of lightening on a very small scale (scaling down to lab size).


160 posted on 12/10/2009 1:44:07 PM PST by mnehring
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