Posted on 11/29/2009 7:25:53 PM PST by Man50D
Now, IF there was ONE person who had an objection, which is not clear, is that person now willing to step forward, I doubt it!!!
It only took Cheney 4 minutes and 41 second to be an enabler in the biggest voter fraud in our nation’s history, when Nancy jumped up clapping and distracted Cheney from his duty!!!
Did you skip #16???
“Did you skip #16???”
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No, I did not skip it.
And I do not see anything in that posting or anywhere else
that makes it a requirement for such a question to be asked.
Nor do I see anything to infer that such a question is
“traditional” as the original poster stated.
Perhaps you can enlighten me?
Trying to blame this nightmare we are living through on Cheney... is a crock.
Do you believe we have witnessed the biggest voter fraud in our nation's history???
As I stated above -- I thought of calling, but I've called enough critters to know the only person I would talk to would be a low level staffer. IF the message/question was relayed at all it would only serve to alert them so as to formulate a pat answer if others called.
Faxes, e-mails or snail mail would simply be ignored while once again alerting them to the fact he had indeed been seen.
It was my decision, wrong though it may be, to ask him in person where I would be able to observe his initial reaction before he starting yammering. Unfortunately, life got in the way and I was unable to attend the only known Town Hall meeting.
Also, unless there was a SINator jumping up and down to voice his objection, it would only paint a target on his back. All we needed was one CONgre$$person and one SINator to object, but there were not 2 out of the 535 traitors that had the b@ll$ to do so.
Whatever happened to Ron Paul? He was making a lot of noise prior to the certification saying HE was going to object. It is my opinion that NOTHING was going to stop the coronation! Not only that, I believe it was due to threats of unrestrained violence in the Odinga model that precluded any action.
Read this thread posted just prior to the election.
Then read this one from nine months later.
It does matter how many phone calls, faxes, e-mails, letters, confrontations at Town Halls, or million person marches we make on DC, they do not give a damn what we think and will continue on their path of destruction unless America's patriots, many millions of them, stand up and say ENOUGH!
So far.
In 2012 a billion Americans will vote for 0bama...
I certainly do, but trying to blame this on Cheney is ridiculous and self defeating.
I will have no part in such garbage and those that do will end up looking as stupid as the truthers.
Act Creating an Electoral Commission, January 29, 1877.
AN ACT to provide for and regulate the counting of votes for President and Vice President, and the decision of questions arising thereon, for the term commencing March fourth, anno Domini eighteen hundred and seventy-seven.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the hall of the House of Representatives, at the hour of one o’clock post meridian, on the first Thursday in February, anno Domini eighteen hundred and seventy-seven; and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate, and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates, and papers purporting to be certificates, of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two houses shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted as in this act provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, and the names of the persons, if any, elected, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the journals of the two houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper when there shall be only one return from a State, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision, and no electoral vote or votes from any State from which but one return has been received shall be rejected except by the affirmative vote of the two houses. When the two houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the question submitted.
Then check out #47 first!!!
According to my #50, Cheney did NOT call for an objection. Maybe distracted by the person next to him or not, I don’t not, but he did NOT do what was required by him to do. Watch the video, period!!!
Sorry, read: I don’t know.
Watch the certification ceremony of 2008 here -- and beginning at 2:00 you may watch the same ceremony of 2001.
Objections were asked for, and received, in 2001 and were not in 2009. There is also a You Tube video of the certification process from 2005, but I cannot find it right now.
The question is not so much a matter of "tradition" as one of code.
3 U.S.C. § 15, Congress is directed to be in session on the appropriate date to count the electoral votes for President, with the President of the Senate presiding. The statute further directs that the electoral votes be counted, and then the results be presented to the President of the Senate, who shall then announce the state of the vote. The statute then provides a mechanism for objections to be registered and resolved.
“...Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper when there shall be only one return from a State, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any...”
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Thanks for the info, I see now what is being referred to.
Does this sound to you like objections should be called for
upon the opening of the certificate from each state?
In other words, the question should be asked 50 times?
I see.
What can explain Cheney’s failure to follow the law regarding the procedures?
No reason necessary .. sorry, Justa, for sounding
like I was crawling up your back. The whole debacle
just makes my blood boil.
And I, too, do not believe there were any two
patriots with courage, willing to fall on their
swords to stand up for their country that day.
And what also troubles me is I’m not sure if
VP Cheney was Constitutionally bound to ask
if there were objections and didn’t or if word
of dissent had to have been known to him
beforehand.
Sorry...meant to ping you to this post.
The only thing I can think of is what I posted in the latter part of my post #47.
Click on and read the links provided, as well as the paragraph above and the one below those links. Other than that, I have no clue.
I have already watched the video and I watched it for a second time. My position remains the same.
While I will occasionally violate my own rule, I do not like debating with conservatives on issues wherein I believe they are wrong headed, but believe their heart is in the right place..... so I am done with this, for now.
Please have a nice day......
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