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The Cruelest Tax of All (zero-interest-rate policy)
Mises Institute ^ | November 26, 2009 | Sarel Oberholster

Posted on 11/28/2009 7:40:40 PM PST by sickoflibs

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The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

If you realize both parties in Washington think our money is theirs and you trust them to do the wrong thing, this list is for you.

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1 posted on 11/28/2009 7:40:41 PM PST by sickoflibs
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The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)
2 posted on 11/28/2009 7:42:46 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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Interesting take, but it’s actually worse than that.

Because the Feds are lending money at (near) zero interest rates, and the financial institutions are risk-averse to extending credit at this point, instead they’re using the money for carry trades.

So, the hundreds of billions of bailout money are simply being used to line the pockets on Wall Street, weakening the dollar, while the “little people” get to endure Great Depression II.

Nice.


3 posted on 11/28/2009 7:59:16 PM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: sickoflibs

as much as I read seemed good. but then I got distracted by the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame special on PBS...


4 posted on 11/28/2009 8:03:06 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (whitey's over it.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I agree with your analysis. Why risk loaning money to a small business in USA when you can make instant money betting against the dollar? So banks get money at near zero and get it out of the dollar to make money.


5 posted on 11/28/2009 8:03:56 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

This sure sounds like an accurate analysis to me.

It seems there’s little hope for actual reform from this path and that we are simply destine to ride it out to its bitter end. We have far too many in this society that want something for nothing and will milk it to the end no matter what.


6 posted on 11/28/2009 8:07:38 PM PST by DB
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To: PreciousLiberty

YOu are correct. The carry trade and all the added liquidity is lifting the stock market but is not doing a damn thing for employment/business growth.


7 posted on 11/28/2009 8:11:09 PM PST by groanup
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RE :”It seems there’s little hope for actual reform from this path and that we are simply destine to ride it out to its bitter end. We have far too many in this society that want something for nothing and will milk it to the end no matter what.

It is much worse than that. We have reached a point where most people: dems and republicans, liberals and conservatives, taxpayers and tax recipients have decided the federal government owns them.

8 posted on 11/28/2009 8:13:10 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

Great stuff the MI as usual. This path is not just unsustainable. It has reached a point where any choices (except those which take power from the elite) will bring cascades of pain to the common folk. The Gov’t/Fed has boxed itself into a corner, and like the rat that it is, it will likely have to use explicit force, rather than implied force. It will be interesting to see the consequences of that...


9 posted on 11/28/2009 8:14:16 PM PST by dcgst4
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To: DB

I meant ‘owes them’, but ‘owns them’ is a funny typo.


10 posted on 11/28/2009 8:14:58 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

Right on target article.


11 posted on 11/28/2009 8:32:47 PM PST by Ciexyz (Cancer survivor. The Lord is merciful and ever-present at our side.)
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The zero-interest-rate policy of the Fed is sold to the public as a benign economic rescue in the public interest

It's cost me thousands over the past five or more years. Money market accounts pay next to nothing on uninvested balances and CDs are little better. It's been actually punishing for people who save money and always invest conservatively in savings accounts and CDs. Many older workers and retirees used to earn decent income supplements from CDs paying around 5%, but no more.

Savers who invest conservatively have been royally screwed for the benefit of higher risk investors and the gov't's stupid fiscal policies and the role they played to screw up the mortgage industry and the nation's financial system in general.

12 posted on 11/28/2009 8:35:23 PM PST by Will88
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To: groanup

It’s an economy shrink and stay.


13 posted on 11/28/2009 8:40:33 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: sickoflibs

This is a silly article. No-one is being forced to lend to the Govt at the shortest maturities.

Longer term govt bills and bonds have positive interest rates. Private borrowers are all paying rates higher than zero.

Inflation is actually down year over year, so a lender even at zero interest rates gets a tax free increase in purchasing power.


14 posted on 11/28/2009 9:17:31 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Hussein Obama is truly post-partisan: It's all about him.)
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You are absolutely right. The zero rate policy means that no one is paid for passive savings anymore. The original purpose of a bank was to be an intermediary between savers and borrowers. Not many banks making money that way anymore. And all these retirement plans are accruing nothing more than the return of capital—and that capital will be devalued when you get it back. There is no incentive to save, and every incentive to put your assets at risk. Which is what I am doing, but I know I am gambling(I got clobbered last year). Buy gold.


15 posted on 11/28/2009 10:42:43 PM PST by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: sickoflibs

Great post...


16 posted on 11/28/2009 10:43:23 PM PST by surfer
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To: Reverend Wright

Are you sure you’re posting that on the right forum?


17 posted on 11/28/2009 11:15:43 PM PST by logician2u
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To: PreciousLiberty
it’s actually worse than that.

It’s actually worse than worse than that.

The dems are proposing a "trading tax" to curb speculation and raise money. The real problem is zero interest rates promote wild speculation destroying the market with price swings from unlimited capital borrowed at zero interest.

It you actually paid interest on the money you borrowed, the speculation and market dislocations would lessen.

18 posted on 11/29/2009 12:08:22 AM PST by staytrue
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To: sickoflibs

Bravo Mises Institute!!


19 posted on 11/29/2009 4:51:09 AM PST by all the best
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Excellent take. Gubmint profligate spending and Wall St. gamblers who are shielded from taking their losses punish savers. It’s especially hard on boomers nearing retirement who are looking for a safe harbor for their nest egg that yields something of value.


20 posted on 11/29/2009 5:22:52 AM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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