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Why was it so hard for Dems even to start health care debate?
Washington Examiner ^ | Byron York

Posted on 11/21/2009 4:24:18 PM PST by indianrightwinger

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To: praepos
"Check the intrade percentage. Only 3.9% believe it’ll pass. That’s ridiculously low."

That's that it passes this year, no way the senate can pass a bill, combine it with the house's bill and get final passage that quick. I believe they WILL pull the nuclear trigger after the first of the year to get this done. I wish I had your faith, I just don't.
41 posted on 11/21/2009 5:50:30 PM PST by JoSixChip (I can't lead the fight, but I will fight. km_freep@yahoo.com)
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To: Mr Fuji
No, the folks here get it or at least most of them. Most are just saying that by allowing it to come to the floor for debate that the RATS will win. They can force a vote with a nuclear option of only 51 votes to end any filibustering. Then another 51 votes to pass the legislation. This gives 9 RAT Senators the ability to run for cover.

Bingo! Someone gets it. This is why this site is so great. So many Freepers here know what is really going on, much more so than the cluless , government educated, general populations does.

42 posted on 11/21/2009 5:51:44 PM PST by Democrat_media
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To: jveritas

a crap-for-brains bill shouldn’t even get out of committee, much less to the floor for consideration.

these bozos have yet again violated their oath of office.

Can any of the People’s representatives, having voted to put US in jail for exercising our rights, ever be considered a friend of the State?


43 posted on 11/21/2009 5:54:33 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: indianrightwinger
And judging by the statements of four moderate Democrats -- Lieberman, Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson -- it will be far, far harder when the process comes to the really important vote

B S !!!

44 posted on 11/21/2009 5:58:11 PM PST by kcvl
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To: JoSixChip

Please stop the panicking.

If the bill was such a sure thing then why was the such a big deal over a lousy vote to debate the bill ?????


45 posted on 11/21/2009 5:58:48 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: castlebrew

this wasn’t the bill voted out of committee !


46 posted on 11/21/2009 6:00:01 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: Mr Fuji

The bill would have to be greatly modified if they went nuclear .


47 posted on 11/21/2009 6:02:34 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: castlebrew
Given that the taxes and penalties start now, and the program rolls out in about 4 years, seems like we’re back to the old “taxation without representation” gig...

Just remember the names of the tyrannical elitists who voted to put YOU in jail

That's an excellent point this IS taxation without representation. This is tyranny .

Our founding fathers, like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington: what would they say today? They must be watching from Heaven with Reagan by their side.

48 posted on 11/21/2009 6:03:54 PM PST by Democrat_media
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To: Momto2
But Landrieu has already succeeded in adding a provision to the 2,074-page Senate version of the health care bill unveiled this week that would provide Louisiana between $100 million and $300 million in Medicaid funding in fiscal 2011.

"Look," said [Louisiana secretary of health and hospitals] Alan Levine, who has been lobbying the administration and Congress on the FMAP issue for eight months, "it's good to have a senator in a position to be able to make demands like that."

49 posted on 11/21/2009 6:05:56 PM PST by kcvl
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To: indianrightwinger
Well, Lincoln and Landrieu will roll over and spread their legs. Nelson too, probably. The real fact is, simply, too many senators know that they are up for re-election next year and they do not want to have to defend voting for this abortion of a bill.
50 posted on 11/21/2009 6:07:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jveritas
Exactly, this entire motion vote was over hyped by Reid and the Obama state media to give them a PR victory and to try to leave the impression of momentum that can't be stopped.
Its a PR ruse .
If it was such a great bill with all this momentum then why have the vote late on Sat nite and just before thanksgiving break ! They are trying to hide.
Everyone knew Lieberman was going to filibuster after the bill went to floor to trap it there just like the Amnesty bill scenario.
I have to admit that FOX is peddling the DNC SPUN just like the other Obama state media outlets ! The weekend Fox people are huge Dems !
51 posted on 11/21/2009 6:09:11 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: Momto2

The stimulus plan increased the share of Medicaid paid by Washington for 27 months — through the end of next year — while sparing states any reductions in their FMAP formula in the meantime.

The net result is that the federal government is paying 81.48 percent of Louisiana’s Medicaid costs, a figure that will plunge nearly 18 percentage points come Jan. 1, 2011. That would cost Louisiana, according to Levine, some $900 million a year for the ensuing three years. It would, he has warned, wreck the state’s budget.

The Obama administration has insisted that only legislation can fix the formula, and on pages 432 to 436 of the Senate health care bill is Landrieu’s answer.

Section 2006 is entitled, “Special Adjustment to FMAP Determination For Certain States Recovering From a Major Disaster.’’ Louisiana is the only state that qualifies. Landrieu’s remedy would halve any decrease in Louisiana’s FMAP percentage for 2011 from the 72.47 percent in place before the stimulus was enacted. In other words, if the bill as written becomes law, Louisiana’s FMAP percentage in 2011 would be 68.04 percent instead of dropping to 63.61.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the cost of Landrieu’s FMAP fix for Louisiana at $100 million for 2011, the only year it would likely apply.

But Landrieu’s office was not clear on where CBO came up with that score, and Levine said the fix as written would more likely provide Louisiana — and cost the federal treasury — between $200 million and $300 million.

In the meantime, the House health care reform bill, which was enacted 220-215 on Nov. 7, would extend the stimulus support for Medicaid another six months until the end of June 2011, at a cost of $20.5 billion in federal Medicaid costs. That provision, however, does not now exist in the Senate bill

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/sen_mary_landrieu_holds_off_on.html


52 posted on 11/21/2009 6:09:38 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Momto2

‘Louisiana Purchase’ Landrieu Blames ABC Report of $100 Million Buyoff on ‘Very Partisan Republican Bloggers’

“I know that my time is up, but I would like to ask personal privilege for just one more minute to address an issue that has come up unfortunately in the last 24 hours by some very partisan Republican bloggers so I need to respond I think and will do so now,” Landrieu said. “One of the provisions in the framework of this bill that I’ve just decided to move on to debate has to do with fixing a very difficult situation that Louisiana is facing and any other state that might have a catastrophic disaster - let’s hope they don’t - like we did in 2005.”

Still, Landrieu elaborated on how federal aid in wake of Hurricanes Rita and Katrina disrupted the state’s economy and this $100 million was deserved.

Our state is still as poor as it was, if not poorer. I am not going to be defensive about asking for help in this situation and it is not a $100 million fix, it is a $300 million fix.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/11/21/louisiana-purchase-landrieu-blames-abc-report-100-million-buyoff-very-par


53 posted on 11/21/2009 6:14:52 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Semperfiwife

They would need supermajorities to repeal this over Obama’s veto.


54 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:45 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: Jay Howard Smith

“If this bill passes and Obama signs it into law, can the newly minted Congress of 2010 which will NOT include the Dems who got kicked out of Congress because of their vote, REPEAL this deficit busting bill?

I would think the GOP would need a veto proof majority in both houses with Obama in office .. ? .. !”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the House control the purse strings and if conservatives control the House, couldn’t they just refuse to fund this monstrosity?


55 posted on 11/21/2009 6:32:37 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: ncalburt
this entire motion vote was over hyped by Reid and the Obama state media to give them a PR victory and to try to leave the impression of momentum that can't be stopped.

Its a PR ruse.

100% correct.

56 posted on 11/21/2009 6:51:41 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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Lampposts in DC need reinforcement if there is any sense of liberty remaining in the U.S.a.

But there isn't, and the Con(gress)men who approved this will skate.

Goodbye America, it was nice to know ya.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

57 posted on 11/21/2009 6:54:58 PM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: jveritas
It my entire life have you ever heard about this minor procedural vote being a MAJOR VICTORY blah blah blah......

The Obama state media is so heavily invested in this Marxist health-care bill.

I can just imagine David Espo of the AP in his cheer leading outfit raising his pom poms to Dirty Harry.

58 posted on 11/21/2009 7:01:49 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: loveliberty2

These idiots in Congress have no clue what’s in the bill and couldn’t explain it if their life depended on it. I daresay the average American knows more about it than they do. I guarantee there are mutually exclusive areas that no one can untangle. I heard a Republican congressman and Democrat congressman discussing the bill on TV, and the Democrat refused to acknowledge one of the tenets of the bill even when it was pointed out to him in black and white.


59 posted on 11/21/2009 7:10:21 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: indianrightwinger

The question I’d like to know is, how many Dems said to Harry, “I’ll give you my. Vote to start this, but don’t count on my vote to end it?”


60 posted on 11/21/2009 7:17:01 PM PST by Lou L
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