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Sexual misconduct persistent in Utah schools
Salt Lake Trib ^ | Oct. 24, 2009 | Kirsten Stewart and Tony Semerad

Posted on 10/25/2009 12:06:31 PM PDT by Colofornian

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From the article: In 2005, Utah ranked 16th in the nation for teacher sex offenses, according to an Associated Press survey of disciplinary records from 2001 to 2005 in 50 states and the District of Columbia. At that time, 52.7 percent of Utah teachers who lost their licenses surrendered them for sexual misconduct -- twice the national rate, the AP found.

My first question: In light of the MANY, MANY 2009 cases of sexual abuse in Utah, why is the above only coming out now? (Re: rates as of 2005?)

Why is the sex offenses so high in Utah? Why is Utah ranked about #17 among states in the ratio of sex offenders-to-population?

2009 cases: Sidebar to the above article @ SL Trib.com:

Here is the status of some recent cases of teachers charged with sexual improprieties.

Oct. 15 » Kenneth William Taylor, 45, a wood shop teacher at Roy Junior High School, is charged with developing a relationship with a 14- or 15-year-old student, which turned sexual when she was 16.

Oct. 13 » John Robert Cody, 39, a social studies teacher at Pineview High School in St. George, is alleged to have fondled two girls and a woman at his apartment complex pool in 2008.

Sept. 29 » Keith Gillins, 61, a long-time teacher, boys basketball coach, former Fillmore mayor and an LDS bishop, is sentenced to up to life in prison for the alleged sexual abuse of a 16-year-old student in the back of his classroom.

Sept. 8 » Douglas Bullock, 42, a teacher at Bloomington Hills Elementary in St. George, is charged with 12 counts of third-degree felony unlawful sex with a minor for an alleged relationship with a 17-year-old boy.

Sept. 7 » Matthew Scott Adams, 31, a shop teacher at Cedar Middle School in Cedar City, is sentenced to one year in the Iron County Jail for allegedly videotaping young women through their windows. Some of the victims were students where he taught.

Aug. 25 » Churchill Junior High substitute teacher Christopher Benjamin Page, 20, of Salt Lake City, pleads guilty to one count of forcible sexual abuse after Sandy police find him and a 13-year-old female student both shirtless in a parked car.

Aug. 17 » Melissa Ann Andreini, 28, a former special education teacher at Helper Junior High School, is charged with unlawful sexual conduct with a minor stemming from an alleged relationship with a 15-year-old student. She allegedly paid the victim between $1,400 and $1,500 after the encounters.

1 posted on 10/25/2009 12:06:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
explicit text messages. ... small indiscretions

I wouldn't think there's anything small about this indiscretion.

2 posted on 10/25/2009 12:13:14 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Colofornian

Someone I know just told me this year that twenty five years ago one of our junior high school teachers cornered her and kissed her. She was confused and didn’t know what to do about it, so she just went home and never mentioned it to a soul. She also stated that as a child she didn’t realize it at the time, but he had spent substantial time “grooming” her.

Fortunately she had a head on her shoulders and avoided the teacher after that. I wish she had confided in an adult though, and they had gotten rid of the man.

There is nothing new under the sun.


3 posted on 10/25/2009 12:17:15 PM PDT by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Colofornian
20,000 licensed educators, 208 revoked for sexual misconduct over 17 years. That's a pretty small percentage, a fraction of one percent. Not exactly an epidemic.

But then we can't be too careful around those Mormons can we.

4 posted on 10/25/2009 12:31:40 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I would think that the rate is higher in Utah because mothers pay closer attention to their children and notice any change in mood or behavior. Mothers are doing their jobs!


5 posted on 10/25/2009 12:39:23 PM PDT by donna (Chick-news. They report on what they love.)
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To: Colofornian

So this is what it’s come to? Write a complimentary note on a student’s paper and be suspected of being a sexual predator...

America is in trouble.


6 posted on 10/25/2009 1:23:25 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Colofornian

Is this a Mormon-bashing thread?

I mean. Seriously. Is it?


7 posted on 10/25/2009 1:24:44 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Is this a Mormon-bashing thread?

what makes you think that? the one sarcastic Mormon comment?

8 posted on 10/25/2009 1:32:56 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime

I am surprised to hear this coming out of Utah.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 2:06:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: I still care

Why don’t we teach kids how to recognize ‘grooming’ and that they need to tell their parents about it in sex ed, instead of gay indoctrination.


10 posted on 10/25/2009 2:09:38 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: latina4dubya

Just wondering why single out Utah.

I wasn’t actually saying it’s a Mormon-bashing thread. Or that there was any such intent. Pretty infrequent though to see a Utah thread though. :)

I was sort of standing up for them is all.


11 posted on 10/25/2009 2:33:59 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (2012: Repeal it all... All of it!)
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To: Colofornian

If those were all cases of abuse by Catholic priests, we’d have Katie Couric reporting live for a week with this as the top story.

But members of teacher’s unions are not so well reported.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 3:19:06 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Why not "interpret" your tax returns like the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You just need to look at Colofornian’s posting and comment history to see why this article is posted. This is a news story and it comes from the local paper. That’s fine. But he doesn’t post these articles because he’s interested in his local news. He is just looking for ways to somehow link the actions of one Mormon to smear prominent Mormons.

He explained it pretty clearly. Romney is a descendant of a Mormon polygamist. The teacher in the article has the same last name as Romney’s ancestor from 150 years ago. Romney is a Mormon. Therefore, Romney and this teacher are in cahoots (both Mormon with a last name shared 150 years ago), and the world needs to know how awfully close this child-molesting multi-wived Mormon Romney is to office!

Law school fail, IMO.


13 posted on 10/25/2009 4:04:30 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: 2Jedismom; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; Antoninus; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

14 posted on 10/25/2009 4:19:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Skenderbej
Lear speculates it's because the state disciplines wrongdoers more rigorously than other states.

It seems to me that all Utah would have to do to bring the rate down to the national average is start giving this sort of crap average treatment, rather than coming down on it so hard.

Sort of like solving the illegal immigration problem by giving them all citizenship.

BTW, I agree with you about Colofornicator. He, she or it is an absolute moonbat when it comes to anything about Mormons, not just Mitt Romney. It must be a pretty pathetic existense working 24/7 to wipe out one of the major (and most politically conservative) religious denominations in this country that, somehow, seems to keep growing in spite of his, her or its efforts.

15 posted on 10/25/2009 6:37:24 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Colofornian

Certainly it’s a problem, but my BS detector went into screaming red alert when I read this:

>>>One study looked at the histories of 561 sex offenders and found they accounted for 195,000 victims. You could sexually abuse hundreds, even thousands of children and have only a 3 percent chance of being caught.<<<

According to my handly little calculator, that means each sex offender molested 347.59 victims. Is that a little Wilt Chamberlain? Does that even make sense? The article goes out of its way - in that lurid soft-core manner of the modern media - to describe how teachers “groom” students. It also seems to take a long time - a lot longer than you’d need to molest 347 victims.

In the meantime, many of the elements of “grooming” described in this article are also part of the sexualization of teen-oriented music, film, books, and television. If you really wanted to see “grooming” in your school, talk with someone from a gay rights group about the poor oppressed LGBT teenagers and their lack of “companionship.” How many girls at your local school are being put on birth control right now - a sort of “grooming” in itself. Even this story, with its breathless ripped-bodice presentation, is grooming. We are creating the circumstances for students to think that the behavior is sometimes all right.

I don’t think it’s the same as it was 50 years ago. We have presidential aides telling crowds that its all right for a 15-year-old boy to get a condom when having sex with an older man. Stars line up to defend Polanski.

You reap what you sow.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 8:18:05 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: hinckley buzzard; All
20,000 licensed educators, 208 revoked for sexual misconduct over 17 years. That's a pretty small percentage, a fraction of one percent. Not exactly an epidemic.

So now, hinckley buzzard, you're becoming an apologist for the sexual perp crowd? Really?

#1 If you look @ the Trib sidebar, you'll note that between 1992-1997, you might average 1 educator dismissed for drug-related charges per year; 7 per year for sexual misconduct; 2 others for something else (average is 10 total per year). Starting in 1998 the rate went from 10 to an average of 21 per year over the past dozen years -- more than doubling! (Seems to coincide with the internet porn era) Of those 21, the average has been about 14 per year due to sexual misconduct...

#2 What? You want to send your sons & daughters to schools in a state where each year, you know 14-15 perps or more will be caught for sexually exploiting either them or their classmates?

#3 About over half of those 20,000 licensed educators are the 6th grade & under educators -- and those aren't really the ones (for the most part) they're having problems with -- it's the other 45%..and even then, most of the problems aren't even with the 15% of educators involved at the 7th-8th grade junior high level.

Does the article really say only 208? (It says that didn't include another 10 cases before the Utah Professional Advisory Board)

Beyond that, the reality is likely that you have...
...about 200 perps (of the 208-218) among 6,000 high school educators over 17 years. [And those were the ones that were publicly caught]
In fact, the ratio is probably around 175-180 high school educator-perps of 4,000 who've been around since 1998--given the reality that the sexual perp rate doubled when comparing '92-'97 to '98-'09...

So you've got some remedial ed needed for your math, H.B.: 'Cause that would make it anywhere from one out of EVERY 30 high school licensed educators had their license revoked over sexual misconduct...between the '92 and '09...and one of every 22-23 high school licensed educators between '98 and '09.

You don't even need a full two dozen high school educators in Utah...One's going to get caught for sexual misconduct! But according to you, you don't get too excited over what you claim is "Not exactly an epidemic."

17 posted on 10/25/2009 8:37:08 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; latina4dubya; Skenderbej
Is this a Mormon-bashing thread? [Cringing Negativism Network]

Why do each of you assume that it's Mormon educators behind these assaults? (You know something we don't?)

I'm more curious as to why three of the first 16 or so posts were about me -- with Skenderbej showing a "gossip mentality" (not pinging me when mentioning my name...my, where is your online etiquette, anyway, Skender?) -- rather than the issues at hand?

What? It's just easier to blame the messenger than with reality?

What are each of you going to do next? Throw darts @ the SL Trib & the Odgen Herald-Examiner & KSL.com & MidUtahRadio.com for posting articles & news segments on this epidemic over the past 3 months? Are you going to tell them to just "shut their media traps" 'cause you're more concerned about Utah PR than these students?

My, how compassionate of you.

18 posted on 10/25/2009 8:45:10 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
this is about Utah, not necessarily Mormons but since you mention it, there has had to be at least 20 articles posted about Catholic priests abusing kids to one about Mormon teachers abusing kids.....so lets be fair.....

what some Catholics did and maybe still do is cover for abusers, out of embarrassment, out of loyalty to the Catholic church or that priest of the parish....We know the results.....

so I hope other communities learn the lesson....

better to face the demons when they occur and not when they have done damage for years and years...

19 posted on 10/25/2009 9:26:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: latina4dubya

I think the question about this being a Mormon bashing thread was based partially on the referenced remarks, but more likely because of the author, Colorfornian. He/she lives for the opportunity to post negative comments about Mormons. Poor thing.


20 posted on 10/25/2009 9:36:10 PM PDT by luvtheconstitution
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