Posted on 09/11/2009 10:09:02 AM PDT by neverdem
But have they? Or is everyone using the same images which first appeared on the Texas Darling blog site?
Oh wow, that's such a credible source /sarcasm.
That's the point.
The information about the earlier access came from that same anonymous poster. (I may be wrong about the anonymous part, there are references to a Lori Starfelt on the FR thread from back when this all happended, who was working on a PUMA, an "unauthorized" Hillary support group, documentary.) There may have only been one visit to the library, not two. Just to get a print of each of the classified pages which had births for the appropriate birth dates. All of the images on the 'net may be of that same print, original or modified. That's the problem with images on the internet, you don't know where they came from, or who has "touched" them, physically or electronically. People who repeat the story, even news sites, copy the images onto their own site, destroying any metadata on their origin in most cases. So unless a story specifically states they went and got their own images, you just can't "authenticate" anything.
Funny though, they didn't have the Nordyke twins announcement, and they were born the very next day. Now it's true that their certificate wasn't filed until the 11th, whereas Obama's was filed the 8th. The date of the paper was the 13th the Sunday a week after both Obama's birth date, as shown on the Colb, and the Nordyke twins, as shown on their Certificates of Live Birth.
Interestingly, today, one of those papers, the Star-Bulletin, says this of it's vital statistics listing: Each Sunday, the Star-Bulletin publishes Oahu vital statistics for marriage licenses and birth certificates filed with the state Department of Health's Vital Statistics System. The statistics cover the five-business-day period ending the Thursday of the previous week. The dates listed do not necessarily reflect the actual marriage or birth date, just when the information was filed.
So if the same applied in 1961 about the dates shown in the listings But noteThe dates listed do not necessarily reflect the actual marriage or birth date, just when the information was filed. So Obama's would have said the 8th, and the Nordyke Twins the 11th. In '61 the papers may have required more lead time to get the ads set up. But if the state still delivered on Friday, then the Obama and Nordyke listings would have been in the next weekend's paper.
Now that is speculation, but it would not be all that hard to prove, if one had access to the newspaper archives. Look up the newspaper announcement corresponding to someone else born in the early 60s on Ohau for whom you have a CoLB or Certificate of Live Birth. If the date shown corresponds to the date filed as Mythbusters says "Busted". If the date corresponds to the date of birth, one speculation shot down.
(The Advertiser apparently no longer prints the "vital statistics" birth announcements, at least in their on line edition.)
Unfortunately Texas Darlin is now a protected blog, you have to sign up, and I refuse to do that. So I can't even attempt to check the data on the images posted there. Probably couldn't anyway, because I don't have the necessary software to look at the metadata, except in very limited cases. Maybe someone else can take a look?
Check your math. Late February is 5 months and a bit more from August 4th. But I don't believe the Maui story, because marriage licenses were in the newspapers in those days, and with permission still are in many places, yet none has surfaced, even after the information from the divorce papers, which Stanley Ann would have filed, indicated that Maui was the place to look. Maui has had at least one newspaper since at least 1900
Don't you find it a bit strange that not one of her friends seems to remember any trip to Kenya?
One did report getting a postcard sent from a boat, but then backed off on it being from a boat, for certain.
I find it a bit strange that no one remembers much of anything about her in Hawaii before about 1963, except Neil Abercrombie. She does show up as enrolled for the fall semester at UH, which she completely blew, scholastically speaking, yet there is no doubt she was a bright girl, with a 3.3+ high school GPA. It's not clear if she actually finished the semester, or had good enough grades to pass a couple of her courses, Russian and Philosophy, IIRC, while earning an overall GPA of 1.3 or so.
Furthermore, Obama Sr. was enrolled in the Spring Semester as well. So unless she travelled first, without him, that means the couldn't have left until June. Or they traveled during spring break (March 22-26 in 2010, probably similar in '61) , or even Christmas break, which was generally about 2 weeks long back then. When you returned from Christmas break, you had about a week of class, then a second (dead week) then a week or week and a half of finals. It was only in the early '70s that most schools on the semester system, shifted the fall semester so that it ended before Christmas. The first two or three year of my undergrad time was done the old way, with finals after Christmas. That would have made 70-71 or 71-72 the first year on the new schedule. Pretty sure it was '71-'72, because my wife graduated at the end of the sumer of '71 and I seem to remember her complaining about not getting to have that long Christmas break, until she was a grad student, some years latter. (She is now Dr. La Gata, and chair of her department)
So you are alleging that she lied in the divorce papers and risked purjury. Why on Earth would she do that? If she were married somewhere other than Maui, what could she possibly gain by lying about the marriage location?
As to why the marriage announcement hasn't surfaced, the most plausible explanation is no one has bothered to look in the archives. In light of the above, I don't see why anyone would bother.
One did report getting a postcard sent from a boat, but then backed off on it being from a boat, for certain.
Who? I haven't seen this bit of evidence. I'd be curious to see it.
However, I find it highly impluasible that someone would travel by ship from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961. We're already talking about the age of air travel here. I seriously doubt it was even possible to make such a voyage by passenger ship in those days. Even if it was possible, it would have been extraordinarily time consuming and expensive.
I find it a bit strange that no one remembers much of anything about her in Hawaii before about 1963, except Neil Abercrombie.
I don't. It seems pretty plausible that she largely kept to herself after dropping out of school after she found out she was pregnant. That's not an uncommon thing for college coeds to do in her situation.
Furthermore, Obama Sr. was enrolled in the Spring Semester as well. So unless she travelled first, without him, that means the couldn't have left until June. Or they traveled during spring break (March 22-26 in 2010, probably similar in '61) ,
I find that scenario rather absurd. In those days, it took at least 2 days to get to Kenya. Probably more. So that's 4 days round trip, at a minimum. Spring break lasts a week, so counting the two weekends, that's 9 days. You're telling me that a couple of starving students, one of whom is 5-6 months pregnant, would spend 4 days travelling just so they could spend 5 days in Kenya? When they had no compelling reason to go? Sorry, but that's just silly.
, or even Christmas break, which was generally about 2 weeks long back then
If they went during Christmas break (which is only mildly less impluasible), they'd be back before the end of January. Unless you're going to claim Bambi was born when his mom was only 2-3 months pregnant, it seems pretty silly to think he was born in Kenya during Christmas break.
I'm sure there must be at least some birthers on Oahu. Why haven't they gone to the public library and used the newspaper microfilm to prove it?
For the birther fantasy to be true, a large number of public officials have to be conspiring in one of the biggest cases of fraud in history. That means the burden of proof is on you.
You'd be wrong, except about the time consuming. It was indeed possible, and if you booked passage on a freighter, which in those days had extra cabins they would use for passengers, it was cheaper than flying.
But I don't believe the ocean voyage theory myself. Stanley Ann never seemed to lack for money, so flying would seem more likely, whether that was in January, March or June. She went to U. Washington, where most of us in that era had to make do with our state university because of the big differential in in state and out of state tuition and in her case she could have lived with her parents,saving still more money, rather than paying for separate housing in Seattle. Who knows why a 17-18 y/o girl would get knocked up by a negro foreigner in 1961, that being more than a tad unusual for the period, and who knows what sort of fantasies she might have entertained?
I believe people have looked for the marriage license information, with no joy.
Something is being hidden. Something worth spending a lot of money to keep hidden. I'm curious as to what it is, and cannot imagine anything other than ineligibility. Before the election I could imagine several other possibilities, such as bastardy, but not after the election.
He'd be back, she might not. We know he was in Hawaii for Spring semester 1961, we don't know if she was.
Same is true of spring break.
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