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My Name is Roger, and I'm an alcoholic
Chicago Sun-Times ^
| Roger Ebert
Posted on 08/28/2009 1:31:53 PM PDT by RKV
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I'm of two minds on this story. First it explains a lot about Ebert's knee jerk leftie politics. Second, I find it difficult to criticize someone who has taken the difficult steps to get sober after being alcoholic.
In Ebert's case I'll make an exception, mainly because the man has no class, even after being off booze for years. I reread his article on "Public prayer fanatics borrow page from enemy's script" from the March 2003 Sun-Times where he criticizes Bush and Ashcroft and as much as calls them equivalent to the Taliban. Not. Even. Close. Roger.
I'll tell you what Roger Ebert is, at least as far as remote diagnosis can tell - he's the dry drunk. Oh, he's not on the bottle anymore, he just ain't sober yet. And after all these years.
Key symptoms - grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance , impulsivity, and indecisiveness which leads to mood swings, self absorption, detachment and escapism.
After all the cr@p that GWB had to put up with from lefties calling him a dry drunk, I think it is fair to return the favor. Glad you're off the bottle, Roger, now see if you can disagree with your political opponents without name-calling, OK? You can talk about being a dry drunk, but can you recognize the symptoms in your own rhetoric? You may or may not agree what's best on any given issue, Rog old boy, but your fellow Americans of the conservative persuasion, are NOT the Talib. Remember that. If we were, you'd already have been publicly humiliated by being dragged around a mosque, with a flogging thrown in for good measure.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:31:53 PM PDT
by
RKV
To: RKV
I'm of two minds on this story. First it explains a lot about Ebert's knee jerk leftie politics.In what way?
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:35:43 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: raybbr
Actually...if a person follows the AA program, right from the book.. after living the program for a while.. they have a tendency to turn conservative.
Those who use it to just stop drinking, and leave the rest of the program alone... tend to go liberal.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:38:57 PM PDT
by
gwilhelm56
(Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
To: raybbr
"Key symptoms - grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, and indecisiveness which leads to mood swings, self absorption, detachment and escapism."
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:41:26 PM PDT
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
To: gwilhelm56
Actually...if a person follows the AA program, right from the book.. after living the program for a while.. they have a tendency to turn conservative. Those who use it to just stop drinking, and leave the rest of the program alone... tend to go liberal.Where did you ever get that from? I know plenty of people in CT who have been sober for years and are liberals.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:41:50 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: RKV
"Key symptoms - grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, and indecisiveness which leads to mood swings, self absorption, detachment and escapism."Are you a member of AA?
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:42:43 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: RKV
Is this the Roger from “American Dad”? Now THAT Roger, I could understand and even have some sympathy for. That creature is flawed and knows it, while this guy from the Sun-Times, well, he has yet to declare his humanity.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:43:46 PM PDT
by
alloysteel
(Never let an inanimate object know that you are in a hurry.)
To: gwilhelm56
The AA model wasn’t for me. I went with a self challenge model for me and I did it on my own.
I knew I was never going to escape from contact with alcohol so I forced myself to be around it without drinking. I even carried an unopened beer around with me for several months. Its been nearly a decade since I last drank.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:43:46 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
To: RobFromGa
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:43:51 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: raybbr
Nope, but I got that list from their site. They use the term. I am NOT an MD, either, I’m just a conservative/libertarian who know a few alcoholics, and has seen them dry, sober AND dry drunk (if I understand the definition correctly, and I think I do).
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:46:03 PM PDT
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
To: gwilhelm56
That has been my experience.
Sober since 8/4/87.
Or as I am often fond of saying, sober since the Reagan Era.
All I can add to Roger's story is that he claims that he still does not believe in God, but rather just the higher power found in other people. Fine. That's a good start. But after 30 years, I would expect that he would have developed a deeper understanding of God. That's what the 11th step is all about. It sounds as though his spirituality ended at step 2.
God bless him for quitting. I'm sure his life is much improved. But as I tell newcomers, when you work it the way it's written, it gets even better than you could have imagined.
To: raybbr
What..wake up every morning and know that you are never going to feel any better?
I will learn to live without scotch, but never without the vino.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:47:21 PM PDT
by
Oldexpat
To: RKV
Nope, but I got that list from their site. They use the term. I am NOT an MD, either, Im just a conservative/libertarian who know a few alcoholics, and has seen them dry, sober AND dry drunk (if I understand the definition correctly, and I think I do).You'd actually be better off not trying to analyze/define something you know nothing about. Just know drunks, dry or sober or active, does not qualify you to judge.
While I may not agree with Ebert's politics I would not use his politics to judge his sobriety.
Having been sober for over twenty years I have learned that sobriety is not something that's judged - just lived.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:49:58 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: raybbr
I’ll judge who I please thank you, whether you approve or not.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:51:07 PM PDT
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
To: RKV
THREAD OF THE DAY!
DING DING DING! What do we have for him, Johnny?
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:52:42 PM PDT
by
Old Sarge
(Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
To: RKV
A.A. believes there is an enormous difference between bring dry and being sober. It is not enough to simply abstain. You need to heal and repair the damage to yourself and others. We talk about "white-knuckle sobriety," which might mean, "I'm sober as long as I hold onto the arms of this chair." People who are dry but not sober are on a "dry drunk." I never liked the term "dry drunk". I seems to imply that the AA way is the only way. If you are able to use another method or even just decide that you've been drinking too much and need to stop that you are no better off than before, and may in some ways be worse off.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:52:48 PM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
To: raybbr
I am.
God, grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
& wisdom to know the difference.
Sobriety date, October 26, 1975
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:55:47 PM PDT
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: raybbr
**AA Ping**
????? Really ... sign me up!
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:56:17 PM PDT
by
gwilhelm56
(Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
To: RKV
Ill judge who I please thank you, whether you approve or not.Well, then you are completely missing the point of AA and the words you quoted. You tried to use AA's words to justify your own judgementalism. Kind of ironic.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:56:22 PM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: KarlInOhio
I never liked the term "dry drunk". I seems to imply that the AA way is the only way.
Exactly. I quit on my own without any program but you wouldn't belive how many times AA members have told me that I'm going to start drinking tomorrow if I don't attend some meetings. Funny thing is that I tried AA and ended up sitting around getting drunk with other members.
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posted on
08/28/2009 1:56:51 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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