Posted on 08/20/2009 12:30:40 PM PDT by IbJensen
I rebuke your post #362 in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
Using Scripture to foster hatred is a fundamentally diabolical act, using Scripture to foster hatred of the very Church founded by Christ is beyond the pale.
Don’t bother with this crowd. As Catholics, our job is to proclaim the truth, not to stand around bickering. We have done that. Shake the dust from your sandals and move on.
Very well put.
One prophetic sort of character I know has mused that all Creation is God’s effort to redeem his former high ranking assistant.
I’m rather exceedingly skeptical of that . . .
We will see some interesting things, however . . . between here and Armageddon and after.
That does seem to be the mentality on the part of . . . many.
The evidence is rather the opposite.
Some have a different perspective.
The focus seems to be on !!!!TRADITION!!!!, bureaucracy, politics, ritual, personages, doctrines of men . . .
Maybe “God” got buried in some Vatican archive somewhere.
Far be it from me to deny that anyone so practiced, educated, experienced could be an expert on hate.
All kinds of things are conceivable. Some a lot more probable than others.
You said — Actually, his own personal interpretation of Scripture does not agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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I would agree that the Bible does not agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church... you are so right there...
Your clock must be exceedingly off.
I just got up.
Obviously a heavy-duty RC bias involved! LOL.
Ahhhhhhhhh . . . well . . .
the stage of the spitting context has arrived.
You said — It’s a grotesquely distorted presentation of the Word of God, motivated by deceit and hate.
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Well, on those two counts... first... anyone can read the Bible for themselves and see that what is given here is not a distorted presentation of the Word of God. In addition to that, I have *no doubt* that very many have heard the *very same* presentation of the Word of God, in many pulpits across this country, in very “Bible-believing churches”...
It only appears to be distorted, when compared to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. And when one looks at which is distorting what..., one always picks the Bible as the final authority.
Secondly..., this sort of thing... which is the presentation of the Word of God, and showing where anyone else or anything else is not teaching what the Bible says — is not something that is motivated by deceit and hate.
It’s something that is motivated by the command of Jesus, which is for all Christians to give a presentation of the Gospel, according to the Scriptures, to all, who are in the world.
That would include those who are in the Catholic Church and those who adhere to the Catholic Catechism, instead of adhering to the Word of God...
And, with someone like Mike Gendron, who grew up in the Catholic Church, learned the Catholic Catechism and knows it inside and out — he is capable of showing where it is in opposition to the Word of God, and so he does so, by giving the Word of God, alongside the Catholic Catechism (and giving the reference paragraph for anyone to see for themselves).
It is a *blessing* to many that they are able to see the Word of God, in opposition to the Catholic Catechism...
You said — Using Scripture to foster hatred is a fundamentally diabolical act, using Scripture to foster hatred of the very Church founded by Christ is beyond the pale.
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No..., what it is — is — giving the Word of God, so that one can adhere to that same Word of God — instead of — adhering to the Catholic Catechism, which is *not* in the Word of God...
You said — Don’t bother with this crowd.
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You’re basically saying...
“Don’t bother with the crowd who adheres to the Gospel, according to the Bible. Instead, stay with the crowd that adheres to the Catholic Catechism.”
That’s very enlightening...
As for me..., I’ll leave *any church* in an instant, the second they start departing from teaching God’s inerrant and infallible Word, which is the Bible. And so should any other Christian.
If one doesn’t, then one should be questioning whether they are truly a Christian or not — and are (rather) simply a “member” of a particular “church”...
>>> God doesn’t have a “side”. <<<
If you mean by that that God doesn’t have a “side” when it comes to conflicts between nations, I believe that the sons and daughters of Israel (and the modern inhabitants of Poland, from what I’ve read) would strongly disagree. However, we were talking about the Church, not God. I hope we can agree there is a difference between the two.
As for “taking sides,” _Caritas in Veritate_ is taking sides, don’t you think? Taking the side of the good global/authentic/integral “development” of humanity. As opposed to nasty ol’ uncontrolled international capitalis... oops, I meant to say “globalization.”
>>> Humanism, the ideology based on the self-sufficiency of man, has nothing to do with Christianity of the Church, which is centered upon God. <<<
If you mean by humanism “secular humanism,” I would of course agree. But there are many flavors of humanism.
For example, there is BXVI’s “new humanism”:
“How”, he adds, “can we respond to these challenges? How can we recognize the ‘signs of the times’? Certainly, joint action on a political, economic and juridical level is needed but, even before that, it is necessary to reflect together on a moral and spiritual level. What is ever more vital is to promote a ‘NEW HUMANISM’”. (emphasis mine)
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=27579
(this is an article well worth reading, especially for its “integralism”)
What "all that there is" is all "about" is summed up in this passage:
I certainly 100% AGREE!
I thought that conjecture was more than a bit absurd, myself.
It’s just that the bit about satan being imprisoned for a thousand years of the Millenium reign . . . loosed a bit and then imprisoned forever . . . reminded me of it.
I was silly for mentioning it again.
Thx.
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