Posted on 08/20/2009 12:30:40 PM PDT by IbJensen
It’s amazing to me that you think you can say the most vile, anti-Catholic epithets and somehow make it all okay with a smily-face emoticon.
I rebuke you in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
You said — You have not proffered a comparison of “the Bible vs.” anything.
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Ummm..., it was the following... in case you missed it... :-)
Note the comparisons, the reference to the Bible and then the reference to the Catechsim of the Catholic Church. AND..., yes... I do believe what the Bible says, as it’s being presented here... so yes...
Note the “comparison pattern” given in each grouping... it goes
- A Christian ...
- A Catholic ...
In the Catholic one, the reference at the end of the sentence is to the paragraph number from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
From Post #238
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2320658/posts?page=238#238
These comparisons show what Mike Gendron, in summary...
“These thirteen teachings and traditions of Roman Catholicism demonstrate that a Catholic Christian is indeed an oxymoron. They also affirm how man made traditions nullify the Word of God (Mark 7:7-13). There are many Evangelicals and Roman Catholics who are unaware of how diametrically opposed Catholic dogmas are to the Word of God. The truth must be told.”
CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS - IS THIS AN OXYMORON?
http://pro-gospel.org/x2/content/view/32/1/
Webster’s dictionary defines an oxymoron as “a combination of contradictory words,” such as jumbo shrimp, tight slacks and pretty ugly. Would you put Catholic Christian into this category? Some would say “no”, because they believe Roman Catholicism is a Christian denomination. Others, who know the official teachings of the Catholic Church contradict the essentials of the Gospel would say “yes.” We propose that a Catholic Christian is indeed an oxymoron for two reasons: 1) whom we are is what we believe, and 2) it is impossible for anyone to believe two opposing views simultaneously. We recognize that there may be some Christians attending the Catholic Church but if they have believed the Gospel they are no longer Catholics. Let us consider the contradictory beliefs of Catholics and Christians. By definition we will propose a Christian is one who believes the Gospel while a Catholic is one who believes the official teachings and traditions of his church (presented by paragraph number from the Catechism of the Catholic Church).
— AUTHORITY —
A Christian believes Scripture has authority over church. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness (2 Tim. 3:16). By setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience (2 Cor. 4:2).
A Catholic believes the Church has authority over Scriptures. The manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God (119).
— JUSTIFICATION —
A Christian is justified once by faith because justification is a permanent declaration by God (Romans 8:30). However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness (Romans 4:5).
A Catholic is justified repeatedly by sacraments and works because he loses the grace of justification each time a mortal sin is committed. The sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification (1446).
— REGENERATION —
A Christian believes he is regenerated at baptism of the Spirit. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body (1 Cor. 12:13), from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth (2 Thes. 2:13).
A Catholic believes baptism of water imparts divine life, the water of Baptism truly signifies our birth into the divine life (694).
— SALVATION —
A Christian is saved by God’s unmerited grace. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast (Eph. 2:8-9).
A Catholic is saved by meriting the graces needed for salvation. We can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for the attainment of eternal life (2010).
A Christian is saved for good works. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do (Eph. 2:10).
A Catholic is saved by good works. The sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation (1129).
A Christian is saved for all eternity. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. (Eph. 1:13-14).
A Catholic is saved until a mortal sin is committed. Those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell (1035).
A Christian believes salvation is offered to those outside the church. “We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God were making His appeal through us” (2 Cor. 5:20).
A Catholic believes salvation is offered through the Church. Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation. Anyone refusing to enter it or remain in it cannot be saved (846).
A Christian is purified by the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus...purifies us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
A Catholic is purified by the fires of Purgatory. They undergo purification in Purgatory, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030-31).
— SAINTS AND PRIESTS —
A Christian becomes a saint when the Spirit baptizes him into the body of Christ. And He gave some...for the equipping of the saints...the body of Christ (Eph. 4:11-12).
A Catholic becomes a saint only if the Pope canonizes them. This occurs when he solemnly proclaims that they practiced a heroic virtue and lived in fidelity to God’s grace (828).
A Christian is a priest. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God (1 Peter 2:9).
A Catholic needs a priest. Catholic priests are said to be apostolic successors and guarantee that Christ is acting in the sacraments to dispense divine life (1120-1131).
— THE LORD’S SUPPER —
A Christian believes the Lord’s Supper is a memorial. “Do this in remembrance of me” (1 Cor. 11:24-25).
A Catholic believes the Lord’s Supper is sacrifice. The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice...the same Christ who offered Himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner (1367).
A Christian receives Jesus once, spiritually, in the heart. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God (John 1:12). God... put his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee (2 Cor. 1:22).
A Catholic believes he receives Jesus physically, frequently, in the stomach. The body, blood...soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ...is truly, really and substantially contained in the Eucharist (1374-78).
— CONDEMNATION —
A Christian is condemned by the Roman Catholic Church. Over 100 anathema’s have been pronounced against Christians by the Roman Catholic Councils of Trent and Vatican II. These condemnations are still in effect today and can only be lifted if a Christian returns in submission to the authority of the pope.
A Catholic is condemned by the Word of God. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day (John 12:48). If we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (Gal. 1:6-9).
These thirteen teachings and traditions of Roman Catholicism demonstrate that a Catholic Christian is indeed an oxymoron. They also affirm how man made traditions nullify the Word of God (Mark 7:7-13). There are many Evangelicals and Roman Catholics who are unaware of how diametrically opposed Catholic dogmas are to the Word of God. The truth must be told. Catholics who believe they are Christians must be lovingly confronted with the truth. Evangelicals must be educated so they can proclaim the true gospel to Catholics instead of uniting with them under a compromised and diluted gospel.
God’s truth coupled with Satan’s lies always produces an oxymoron. Yet the “father of lies” continues to seduce many by mixing a little error with truth. In the final analysis, truth mixed with error never hurts the error, it only contaminates the truth. The veneer of truth covering the false gospel of Rome is deceiving not only Catholics but many Protestants as well. Let us persuade Catholics to turn from the errors of man’s teachings to the truth of God’s Word!
God defines truth with His Word (John 17:17). It is objective, authoritative and sufficient! We must use it to expose the evil deeds of darkness, to set captives free from the bondage of deception and to protect God’s children from being deceived.
And there you have it...
It’s a presentation of the Word of God, in comparison to the Catechism of the Catholic Church... it’s a fairly straightforward comparison and not too many people would have any trouble understanding it and seeing the how the Word of God doesn’t agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church...
South-central... north of Anchorage..
Ahhh.
I have friends in Wasilla.
Thanks.
Would be glad to be included however I'm in the boonies..
Yawn.
it's as though . . . [fiction for illustration folks]
BENEBONKER is a recreaional axe murderer.
He has written a new MANIFESTO FOR RECREATIONAL AXE MURDERERS.
It is mostly page after page extolling the blessings of society being free, by his recreational pursuits, of drug dealers, rapists, super corrupt bureaucrats and politicians, gang bangers, satanic abuse torturers of children etc.
He waxes very poetic about how the children of such creatures have been spared following in their parents' footsteps because BENEBONKER stepped up to the plate and for kicks offed their parents head(s) with his trusty axe.
There's a touching vignette about Merry Mary who gets to go to Parochial school and eventually becomes a Dr serving the Watootsies in Africa . . . instead of growing up drug addicted, stealing, stabbing family members and costing us care in prison, had her daddy not been offed by BENEBANGER'S trusty axe.
And there's the story of Peripatetic Peter who was spared a life of crime and attened a Parochial school eventually graduating as a top flight geologist and hydrologist now diggine wells for dozens of poor tribes in Africa, SE Asia and South America . . . vs becoming a gang rapist and drug dealer had his daddy lived vs being offed by BENEBONKER'S trusty axe.
And, of course, there's the 100's of children of such horrific parents who are now learning to love and be loved instead of learning to rape and be raped.
It's all quite touching.
Of course, there is this one paragraph wherein BENEBANGER really gets going on how much fun the blood and gore of a well described axe murder is. But folks don't need to pay attention to that.
There's lots of wonderful discussion in page after page of the great lives children are now having BECAUSE of those wonderful axe murders. So, please ignore the gory paragraph. Just keep in mind all the children who've been saved--saved to lives full of TRUTH IN LOVE AND TAUGHT THE EVERLASTING WONDERS OF SUBSIDIARITY and INTEGRAL MUTUAL BENEVOLENCE etc. etc. etc.
All due to the thoughtful recreational axe murdering of His Unholiness--BENEBONKER.
/Sar
You are certainly a treasure.
Being in the boonies should be a big plus when the Ruskies take Alaska back as Dimitru Duduman ‘saw’ in his dreams and visions of WWIII.
Any deep caves in your parts? LOL.
Of course yawning is the most fitting response.
However, given certain tendencies toward quickly aggressive hostility that some prickly pontificators seem to so genetically demonstrate . . . some of us humor at least a few of them . . . help’s keep their med or alcohol bills lower.
N worse than some of the anti-protestant posts I have seen, of course I get told to shut up if I reply to them.
>>> In short, the Pope is not arguing for some One-World totalitarian order that abolishes nation-states. What he is arguing for is a dynamic, flourishing family of nations under their own state systems; and, in an increasingly globalized world, these state systems need, if anything, to be strengthened — lest they be swallowed up by an ideological world mega-state, which is the final object of the promoters of the “culture of death.” Here is yet another instance of the principle of subsidiarity at work in his thinking. <<<
What BXVI SEEMS to be arguing for and what inter-national apparatus would have to be in place in order for his “wish list” of changes (cf. Chapters 3-5) to be actually granted are two different things.
No one doubts that international capital spans the globe, as does the power of many nation-states and their several confederacies. This has been going on for well over a century. Much of this “globalization” is carried on mostly through the action of accident and force, and not so much through reflection and reason. And certainly not through charity or good will!
What BXVI desires is that reason and charity have a much greater control of “late capitalism” or globalization. Not only is there to be “globalizing”; there is to be “development” — the “integral human development” of not just individuals, but whole peoples. I think it is fruitful to look upon _Caritas in Veritate_ as the expression of this desire, an expression which takes the form of a prayer. _Caritas in Veritate_ is a kind of prayer in which BXVI asks that this beast of “globalization” be tamed, that the Machiavellians who presently run it be routed.
Have you ever read Mark Twain’s “The War Prayer”? The unspoken, unthought of part of a petitionary prayer for victory over an enemy is revealed in a shocking way as being a plea for patriotic gore. I think what Quix and Dr. Eckleburg are pointing out in their own way is the unspoken and unarticulated part (aside from Section 67 and a few other places) of BXVI’s “Development Prayer.”
Want to limit profit world-wide? (cf. Section 21) What bureaucratic apparatus will you have to create in order to do this? How will its will be enforced? How will “free” markets be sustained? How many capitalists and their defenders will have to be killed before their resistance to this bureaucracy is broken? How will you be able to avoid war?
Want to solve the problem of “food” or “water security”? (cf. Section 27) Once again, what bureaucratic apparatus will you have to create in order to do this? How will its will be enforced? How will sovereign nations be forced to “tow the line” when their political existence depends upon maintaining insecure food and water for their citizens? What will happen to the reality, legal or otherwise, of national sovereignty if you do this? How will you be able to avoid war?
One could go through the whole “wish list” from _Caritas in Veritate_ in this way. What is prayed for, what is desired in order to tame the beast of globalization and “develop” humanity reveals its dark underbelly: not reason but force or threat of force; not charity but bureaucratic indifference; not order but revolution; not love but war. And, most chillingly, not subsidiarity and the cherishing of wide-ranging political values, but a final solution of the world’s problems through the establishment of an “imperium sine fine.”
Some beasts are to be left alone or “admired” from a distance. Not tamed.
(apologies to Quix and Dr. Eckleburg if they feel my attribution of the above position to them is unwarranted)
you: And yet Satan already knows he's utterly doomed, and knew it from the get-go. This is what I don't understand. I'm beginning to think it's beyond human comprehension altogether.
And it does seem odd that he would even bother, knowing that the end is already written, that his efforts are futile.
Perhaps he is deluded according to God’s will? God has given men over to delusions and reprobate minds, so why not Satan?
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: - 2 Ths 2:11
>>> The Church is on the side of the human race, and it is the duty of the pope to represent the species as a whole, Catholic or not, and especially the least among us. <<<
Geepers, I always thought that the Church was on the side of God. Since when has the Church become a species of humanism?
Surely he, like our illustrious president, has a ‘ghost writer’ who writes this gobbledegoop for him to spiel to the unwashed masses. They may never understand what he says, but they know it’s something good.
God doesn’t have a “side”. He doesn’t need one. He created the Church to save men by bringing His good news to them, and to defend His law, including the intrinsic sanctity of the human person.
Humanism, the ideology based on the self-sufficiency of man, has nothing to do with Christianity of the Church, which is centered upon God.
It's a grotesquely distorted presentation of the Word of God, motivated by deceit and hate.
Good luck with that.
Actually, his own personal interpretation of Scripture does not agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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