Posted on 08/06/2009 11:53:16 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
Appears to me the country is already torn apart.
I think the price of him filling out his term will be worse than if he were kicked out now.
Anyway considering what he has done in the first months of office we will be in CWII soon anyway. That starts when they come for the guns.
Someone already posted the fact that it was “layered” or digitally altered from the original.
You speak too soon to claim knowledge which is not in evidence, so quickly that, perhaps, you WERE in on this, if it does turn out to be a “hoax” -—
Since ONLY the hoaxers know, for sure, all the details of any “hoax”!
You ask a lawyer and report back, n00b, I will wait to see what Orly reports back.
IBTZ
I must be missing something. Taitz filed with the court a document she said she wanted to verify. So far as I understand it, she didn’t say THIS is his real birth certificate. Many apparently thought it was, or reasonably could have been, but what Taitz did seems fairly rational to me in seeking the court’s permission to authenticate.
And now is the punk Obama fan liable for producing a false document? Doesn’t seem he should come out too well in all this.
That sort of complete casualness about lying and misrepresentation inevitably raises even more doubts about the original Fight the Smears image, since in that case there was even a compelling reason for some document to be produced. If the Obamaites are willing to lie for pleasure, then one has to assume that they are willing to lie in their own interest.
People who amuse themselves with gratuitous lies --- and these are quite serious lies made to lawyers who are engaged in federal litigation --- besmirch everyone on their side.
I would hope that the more serious people among the Obama crowd would realize what damage being associated with these fraudsters does to their own case. At a minimum, I would hope to hear senior people publicly repudiate such behavior.
Now, more than ever, it is imperative that the Kenyan Clown allow Hawaii to release all of the Obama vital records that the state has.
Arrest him for what?
Check out that bed spread behind the pic of the birth certificate on Orly’s site.
Mmmm, I’ve seen that somewhere before!
WHATEVER.
You’re the one that took the opportunity to say Taitz was liable, it was an absurd position and conspicuously transparent.
Punkin a punk, pricless!
I agree with your statements, but I fear the hopes you express are forlorn.
“Boy you really punked them birthers. So where's the real one?”
My feeling is that yeah they may have pulled a fast one, but they've kept the topic alive and may have put more doubt in people's minds. Especially the ones that hadn't been paying attention before. Did you hear, “Obama’s an Arab”. Pass it on.
This pic shows #47,044, the original one was 47,644 IIRC
Not a crime.
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No other spread exists, just like it?
Or, no other spread could be digitally reproduced?
You have proven nothing, so far.
And, if it turns out to be a hoax, you are part of the hoax, it appears.
Strange thing to be proud of, if that is the case.
Orly didn’t try to pass it off as genuine. She submitted to the court for authentication.
TITLE 18 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 47 FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS
§ 1028. Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information
(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section
(1) knowingly and without lawful authority produces an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document;
(2) knowingly transfers an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without lawful authority;
* * * shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is
(1) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both, if the offense is
(A) the production or transfer of an identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document that is or appears to be
(i) an identification document or authentication feature issued by or under the authority of the United States; or
(ii) a birth certificate, or a drivers license or personal identification card;
* * *
(c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that
* * *
(3) either
(A) the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section is in or affects interstate or foreign commerce, including the transfer of a document by electronic means; or
(B) the means of identification, identification document, false identification document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail in the course of the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section.
(d) In this section and section 1028A
(1) the term authentication feature means any hologram, watermark, certification, symbol, code, image, sequence of numbers or letters, or other feature that either individually or in combination with another feature is used by the issuing authority on an identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to determine if the document is counterfeit, altered, or otherwise falsified;
(2) the term document-making implement means any implement, impression, template, computer file, computer disc, electronic device, or computer hardware or software, that is specifically configured or primarily used for making an identification document, a false identification document, or another document-making implement;
(3) the term identification document means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals;
(4) the term false identification document means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that
(A) is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit; and
(B) appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated by the President as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international governmental or quasi-governmental organization;
* * *
(6) the term issuing authority
(A) means any governmental entity or agency that is authorized to issue identification documents, means of identification, or authentication features; and
(B) includes the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated by the President as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international government or quasi-governmental organization;
* * *
(f) Attempt and Conspiracy. Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.
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