The Shaming of Lou Dobbs (Certifigate - the MSM panic continues)

Wash. Independent ^ | 7/22/09 | Dave Weigel

[motoman]

States have not been required to pass specific laws to require the forfeit of the documents which I used in my examples. Birth Certificates are no different.

[Star Traveler]

No, I don’t think so... I believe that there are laws on the books that say one has to produce a driver’s license if one is asked by an officer, when driving. And I also believe that there are laws in states where insurance proof is required, that one must have that proof available to show in certain conditions (like at a traffic stop, or renewing tags or some other administrative tasks and duties).

If you don’t do what the law requires, then you’ll have to appear before a judge...

The key is that it is written down that you have to do that, and if you don’t, then you are in violation and you’ll end up before a judge defending yourself.

[motoman]

My examples involved “signed” documents, which in themselves establish the basic confirmation of the conditions being sought. They can be followed up with court ordered requests for back-up documents. To my knowledge, there are not any laws required to clear a judge for requesting these backup documents. No law precludes a judge for issueing supbeonas for supporting documents related to income tax returns, job applications, medical records, or other vital records such as birth certificates. Producing your driver's license or proof of insurance are already backed up by established laws and are not comparable to the examples I sited or the B.C. issues. I believe that the B.C. issues, as with other analogous examples, involve judicial discretion.