Posted on 06/25/2009 4:20:47 AM PDT by Man50D
I was referred to info that shows prices remain the same, my income and social security taxes are cut to zero while I also receive a prebate? Don't forget, government revenues remain the same. Was the reference in a magazine showing how to build a perpetual motion machine?
Some math is so bad, even Willie can see it.
Nope. The tax base was simply broadened to include all consumers rather than confining it to only those who earn legitimate incomes!
If prices remain the same, how are you increasing tax receipts from those with illegitimate sources of income?
I’m typing real slow so you can get this!
The tax base is FAR broader under the FairTax than it is under the current income tax! More people paying means that each individual will pay relatively less unless of course you are one of those who isn’t paying currently!
Great! So how does someone with undeclared income pay more taxes when the claim is that prices remain the same?
Maybe you need to type slower, I'm still seeing the bad math claims.
Taxation in pictures: Why FairTax makes sense
Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.And so it is across Europe today. Just compare this sentiment to the diagram you see above. The State is everywhere.
You can't remember anything. The only sponsor of The Fair Tax since it was first introduced in 1999 to Congress was and still is Congressman John Linder of Georgia. In fact Traficant was never even a cosponsor! Where are those sources? Please keep guessing to show how little you know about The Fair Tax.
Click here and take your pick.
I'll excerpt a small portion of one:
Two options have been discussed on and off since the exploits of the 1994 conservative revolution (i.e., which suddenly fizzled after the government shut down in December 1995). The first option is the possible implementation of a national sales tax, endorsed by House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Archer (R-TX), Reps. Bill Tauzin (R-LA), James Traficant (D-OH), and John Linder (R-GA). This option would eliminate the dreaded, intrusive IRS and could conceivably be implemented by the sales tax machinery already operating at the level of state governments. The second option is the flat tax, different versions of which are promoted by Forbes magazine publisher Steve Forbes and House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX).
See? Linder and Traficant are right there in RED, along with Billy Tauzin (another weasel)
I understand Tauzins pulling down a couple million bucks a year now as a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry, diverting our tax dollars to finance "free" prescription drugs, no doubt.
Thanks for the info.
But out of every $100 you spend for a product, some $29 on average are taken by the government, at some point or another in the process of the product's production.
Looks like those with illegitimate sources of income are already paying 29% of total purchases. So how does the base get broadened again?
Yep! just like you and I are but you and I are also currently paying all those other taxes (income, SS, Medicare, gift and estate etc.) that they don't pay currently and would under the FairTax!
Also there are a great many folks who currently take in a LOT of money that doesn't come under the definition of "income" and thus doesn't have any taxes due on it. Those folks consume like crazy however and would get their part of the bill with the FairTax in place!
You bet. That explains why I want my other taxes to go to zero. That doesn't explain how the scumbag drug dealer is going to pay more in taxes. He doesn't care if the $29 he pays is a hidden tax or an explicit sales tax. As long as his price remains $100, he doesn't pay more. The base isn't broadened.
Try again?
The drug dealer has to earn $100.00 with which to make the purchase.
How much do you have to earn to have $100.00 left in order to make that same purchase? I’ll just bet you it’s a damned site more than $100.00!
You bet. How does this explain the broader tax base?
How much do you have to earn to have $100.00 left in order to make that same purchase? Ill just bet you its a damned site more than $100.00!
I'll bet you're right!
I’ve answered that question in every way I can possibly think of and you refuse to see it. So be it! Others will see it quite readily I suspect!
You said the base is broadened. That somehow we would collect taxes from those (like drug dealers and the high consuming idle rich) who currently don't pay. The claim in the original article is that prices remain virtually unchanged. The drug dealer would pay less "hidden tax" and more "Fair Tax" and the total would remain the same.
Explain how collecting the same tax from the drug dealer somehow has broadened the tax base.
Others will see it quite readily I suspect!
Try again?
Maybe they can get through I don't seem to be able to.
You made a simple claim, the Fair Tax will collect money from those who currently don't pay. Drug dealers currently pay, on average, 29% of all purchases to government, according to the source you provided.
You disproved your own claim. Thanks. That was fun.
I know what I said and I stand by it despite the fact that YOU can’t seem to get your mind wrapped around the fact!
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