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Ocean Hidden Inside Saturn's Moon
Space.com ^ | 24 June 2009 | Jeanna Bryner

Posted on 06/24/2009 11:30:05 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972

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Yet another moon with a possible Ocean beneath its surface. Seems like moons around gas giants might actually be a more hospitable place to find life then planets.
1 posted on 06/24/2009 11:30:06 AM PDT by tricky_k_1972
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To: tricky_k_1972

/mark : )


2 posted on 06/24/2009 11:51:41 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (Hey there, White House Ha Ha Charade you are)
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To: tricky_k_1972
See Robert Heinlein's works.

He chose moons, rather than the planets they orbit, as the site of future colonies.

3 posted on 06/24/2009 11:55:35 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Election 2008: OK, Obama Voters, you have proven to us you are not prejudiced! Great!)
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One moon with a liquid ocean (Europa) was simply amazing. Now there's four!

It's hard to judge from just one solar system, but it looks like oceanic moons might incredibly common throughout the universe.

I would imagine the sheer number of moons is also going to be much greater than the number of planets, again using our solar system as the sole example. We have about 170 moons to eight planets.

4 posted on 06/24/2009 11:59:19 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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I think the idea has been around for a while. In the book HER NAME, TITANIC by Dr. Charles Pellegrino (1988), Pellegrino is having a conversation on page 62 with Titanic wreck discoverer Robert Ballard, and says: “We’re almost certain that Saturn’s moon Enceladus has an ocean of liquid water under the ice, and probably Jupiter’s Europa.” (How was this relevant to the Titanic? Pellegrino was suggesting that Ballard’s use of robotic deep-sea submersibles showed the way for how the ice-moons of the outer planets could be explored.) Anyway, I’m not enough well-informed about the state of planetary science 21 years ago to know what led to Pelligrino to say that Enceladus probably had an internal ocean then, but such speculation must have been forgotten during the interim since the recent discoveries by the Cassini probe that Enceladus might have liquid water seem to have taken everyone by surprise.


5 posted on 06/24/2009 12:07:12 PM PDT by Deklane
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space ping


6 posted on 06/24/2009 12:16:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: tricky_k_1972
That's because a violent saltwater geyser would eject sodium into the vapor cloud, and the results show no such sodium.

"The original picture of the plumes as violently erupting Yellowstone-like geysers is changing. They seem more like steady jets of vapor and ice fed by a large water reservoir,"

So they're essentially suggesting a continuous evaporation process, due to the lack of sodium in the vapor cloud. The lack of gravity from such a small object would demand that the continuously growing cloud of vapor could not remain captured by the moonlet, else it would have a thick atmosphere.

Perhaps this moon was the size of Jupiter (or larger) in it's past, given that our solar sytem is "Billions" of years old, right?

Either that, or the rate of vaporization has changed (i.e. dramatically sped-up recently)

Or perhaps this moon is a new arrival, trekking across the galaxy with a big load of water until it was captured in our solar system.

Or, heretically, our solar system is considerably newer than speculated upon by many.

7 posted on 06/24/2009 12:36:08 PM PDT by JOAT
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"Either that, or the rate of vaporization has changed (i.e. dramatically sped-up recently)"

I would bet that something has changed, but what. I know that they have been theorizing that this is being caused by a pocket of radioactive material; it's possible that this was shifted closer to the surface do to seismic activity.

8 posted on 06/24/2009 12:45:22 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

Ummm, Cheese Enceladus


9 posted on 06/24/2009 12:46:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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Groan. Oh you will pay for that, of yes, you will.


10 posted on 06/24/2009 1:21:14 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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How many times does this have to be rediscovered? Is their financing in doubt again?


11 posted on 06/24/2009 2:18:47 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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A water ice comet, captured long ago might end up that way.


12 posted on 06/24/2009 2:21:26 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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The debate is not whether there is water, but how and where the water is formed.

"In a second study, also in Nature, a team led by Nicholas Schneider of Colorado University likewise looked for salts in Enceladus' plumes, this time using spectrographs on Earth-bound telescopes.

That it failed to detect any would seem to challenge Postberg's findings, but the Earth-based observations -- combined with the Cassini data -- may in fact give us additional clues as to how they may be true, said Spencer.

It tells us, for example, that the plumes could not have been formed by boiling salty water spewing directly out of Enceladus' tiger stripes, otherwise the sodium would be so abundant as to be observable from Earth.

Instead, the plumes could come from salty water distilling into fresh water vapours, but not through evaporation as happens over Earth's oceans, but rather in pressurised chambers under the moon's surface."

13 posted on 06/24/2009 2:25:28 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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(That's warmer than the moon's surface, which reflects 100 percent of the sunlight striking it

Who wrote this article?

The albedo of the moon is 0.39.

It reflects 39% of the sunlight, not 100%.

14 posted on 06/24/2009 4:02:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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The debate is not whether there is water, but how and where the water is formed.

Formed?

Tons of ice pellets hit the Earth every second, every day, and probably have since time began.

If they pelt the Earth, they pelt every astronomical body in space.

15 posted on 06/24/2009 4:06:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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I think they are talking about Enceladus’s surface, not our moon, and since Enceladus’s surface is mostly ice it very well could reflect almost all the sunlight that gets to it.


16 posted on 06/24/2009 4:07:12 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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Formed as in how the water (not the ice) that is being dispelled in the geysers formed, as in did it form in the cracks in the surface or is there a larger deposit of liquid water under the surface that eventually makes it to the surface where it is expelled.


17 posted on 06/24/2009 4:11:42 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: tricky_k_1972

Thank you. My mistake. You are absolutely correct.


18 posted on 06/24/2009 6:01:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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as in did it form in the cracks in the surface or is there a larger deposit of liquid water under the surface that eventually makes it to the surface where it is expelled.

Which do you think it is?

19 posted on 06/24/2009 6:21:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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I truly don’t know, I hope it’s below the surface and that it is a persistent feature, that would make it alot easier for life to form and be more interesting to study.


20 posted on 06/24/2009 6:29:16 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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