Posted on 06/16/2009 4:19:07 PM PDT by Fennie
How cheap is it to lose a B-52? During Operation Linebacker II, we lost about 15 of them to low tech SA-2 surface to air missiles.
A B-2 can go in without air superiority before hand. A B-52 can not.
Massive Ordnance Penetrater....
Sounds vulgar.
The MOP is a technology demonstration program funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency [DTRA] to develop a 30,000-pound conventional penetrating weapon that will defeat a specialized set of hard and deeply buried targets. The MOP is designed specifically to attack hardened concrete bunkers and tunnel facilities. Designed to be carried aboard B-2 and B-52 bombers and deployed at high altitudes, the MOP's innovative design features include a Global Positioning System navigation system. The 6 m [20 feet] long MOP features short-span wings and trellis-type tails. The 13,600 kg [30,000 lb] weapon contains a 2,700 kg [6,000 lb] explosive charge [some sources report "more than 5,300 pounds" of explosives]. MOP is designed to go deeper than any nuclear bunker buster and take out 25 percent of the underground and deeply buried targets worldwide. By some reports, it was expected to penetrate as much as 60 meters [200 feet through 5,000 psi reinforced concrete, and 8 meters [25 feet] into 10,000 psi reinforced concrete.
On 31 March 2006 Dr. James A. Tegnelia, the director of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency told American Forces Press Service [AFPS] that the MOP is a test article meant to understand the design principles on which a country might build a weapon to counter hard targets. "We are not in the process to convince anybody to field a large earth penetrator," he said. But the FY 2008 Global War on Terror Amendment of October 2007 stated [page 44-45] that "The Department requests $5.3 billion to procure equipment to replenish that consumed during combat and support operations in the theater. ... The Replenishment category also includes $0.3 billion for the development of specific technologies to improve the survivability of U.S. personnel and equipment. This includes funding for the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) for use on the B-2 bomber... " On 23 October 2007, John M. Donnelly reported in Congressional Quarterly that the request includes "$88 million to modify B-2 bombers so they can drop a Massive Ordnance Penetrator" and that White House stated the request for money to modify bombers was in response to "an urgent operational need from theater commanders."
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Weight, total 13,600 kg [slightly less than 30,000 pounds]
Weight, explosive 2,700 kg [6,000 lb] "over 5,300 pounds"
Length 6 m / 20.5 feet long
Diameter 31.5-inch diameter
Control short-span wings and trellis-type tail
Penetration 60 meters [200 feet] through 5,000 psi reinforced concrete
40 meters [125 feet] through moderately hard rock
8 meters [25 feet] through 10,000 psi reinforced concrete
Contractors Boeing, Northrop Grumman
Sponsors Air Force Research Laboratory's Munitions Directorate
Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
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More info at the link.
“Any future upgrades could result in a B-2B.”
Never. Obama is going to make sure there is never any B2B. He is furiously working on G2B. That’s marxism for ya.
Oh... sorry. Thought you were talking about Business to Business.
The “porkchop” is already considered the B-2A.
“Isnt a daisy cutter 5000 lbs? and this is 6 times greater?”
The BLU-82 Commando Vault AKA “Daisy Cutter” is an unguided 15,000 pound bomb dropped from the back of a MC-130.
Oh my! That’s going ruin somebody’s day.
lol
How cheap is it to lose a B-52? I don’t dare try to put a price on the lives of the pilots and crew, but would ask that you please do the math for me - isn’t one B-2 more expensive to build than all the B-52s that were ever built?
In the USAF system the first production model in an aircraft series normally has no letter for the model... the second model get the "A"
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2551
The article itself stated the B-2A is a new model begin flight tests in June 2011 and reach operational status by June 2012...
The USAF plans to begin flight tests on the B-2A starting in June 2011 and reach operational status by June 2012
The B-2 model begin flight tests in 1989 and reach operational status in 1993
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=82
Actually, you zoomed right into what I was getting at. The crew. You’re probably right about the cost of the machines.
Use the right tool for the job. The B-52 and B-2 are not interchangeable.
Thanks.
First production model of any aircraft type has the “A” designator under the current MDS (Mission, Design, Series) designation system.
A prototype test and evaluation aircraft would have a “Y” designator before the model type such as the YF-16 for example. When the F-16 was accepted into service, the designation was changed from YF-16 to F-16A.
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/aircraft.html
“(5) Series Letter: Variants of a basic aircraft type are designated by a suffix letter. The first model always receives suffix “A” and subsequent series letters are to be assigned in strict sequence (omitting “I” and “O” to avoid confusion with numerals “1” and “0”). The series letter is actually a mandatory component of a conforming MDS, and therefore “plain” designations like “F-16” always designate the general type of aircraft and never a specific model.”
AIR FORCE JOINT INSTRUCTION 16-401:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/dod/docs/16-401.htm#page1
“A2.7. Series (Required). Identifies the production model of a particular design number and later models representing major modifications that significantly alter the aerospace vehicle systems components or change the logistics support of the vehicle. Consecutive series symbols, starting with “A”, appear to the immediate right of the design number.”
As far as I can tell, the B-2 is (and always has been) referred to (technically) as the B-2A.
There have been some modifications, such as the changing of the internals of the bomb bay to accommodate ‘bunker busters’, yet it is still called the B-2A.
The reference to the ‘new’ B-2A is made mainly in regards to it being ‘qualified’ with the new ‘modifications’.
When they make minor changes to the design, the block number changes. The current B-2 fleet is up to the Block 30 standard.
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