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Fusion energy
The American Thinker ^ | June 12, 2009 | M. Simon

Posted on 06/12/2009 1:19:59 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: SunkenCiv; hershey; Scanian; sionnsar; Robert A. Cook, PE; Dead Corpse; Professional Engineer

That book, “Sun In A Bottle”, does not seem to cover this technology called electrostatic confinement fusion.

That’s surprising, considering that polywells are based on the electronic tube engineering of Philo T. Farnsworth, the inventor of electronic television. Mister Farnsworth, a prolific inventor, and a genius of the first rank, was achieving fusion in a bottle in the late 1950s.

The Farnsworth Fusor was limited by its standard vacuum tube electronic grid. Fusion works better when no physical objects intrude into the fusion space.

Dr. Robert Bussard’s leap consisted of replacing the physical electronic grid with a magnetic one, a Magrid.

Had this research been funded and supported at the levels used for Tokamac style magnetic confinement, we might possible have been enjoying the fruits of fusion energy already.

Fortunately, this particular cat is no longer in confinement, and it seems ready to show that it is more than only half alive!


21 posted on 06/12/2009 5:49:10 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: NicknamedBob
the inventor of electronic television

As opposed to mechanical television? We had the technology, though it was packet-switched instead of broadcast (you could broadcast to all medium endpoints) and had a really, really low frame rate:


22 posted on 06/12/2009 6:11:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|"AlsoSprachTelethustra"-NonValueAdded|Lk21:36|FireTheLiar)
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To: sionnsar

I’ve even heard of artillery shell television.

An artillery round with a photo-sensor modulating a radio signal sends a stream of data that can be reconstructed into an image of the terrain below. (Be aware that the round is rotating! Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/ ...)


23 posted on 06/12/2009 6:21:00 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: sionnsar
"As opposed to mechanical television?"

Actually, mechanical display devices with spinning mirrors may yet make a comeback.

They're a good way to produce a three-dimensional image that can be viewed without special glasses.

24 posted on 06/12/2009 6:23:37 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: Scanian

bump


25 posted on 06/12/2009 6:29:19 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: NicknamedBob
(Be aware that the round is rotating! Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/ ...)

I hope AST (artillery-shell television) comes fully equipped with a steady stream of barf-bags... *\;-)

26 posted on 06/12/2009 6:31:18 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|"AlsoSprachTelethustra"-NonValueAdded|Lk21:36|FireTheLiar)
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To: sionnsar

Reconstructing an image is usually based on a repetition of a key indicator, such as the beginning of the brightness of the sky. It then proceeds to lining up these indicators and all that follows until the indicator repeats.

Television being such a basic concept, presumably familiar to all developing species, a computer algorithm should be available on all space traveling vessels to enable a quick reconstruction ability to any discovery of a “video signal”, indicated by the structure of the signal, (Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/Sky-Earth/ ...)

I always wondered about that on Star Trek. “Captain, I’ve got a visual ...”


27 posted on 06/12/2009 6:58:42 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: NicknamedBob

There’s a chapter on the Farnsworth work and the spinoffs.


28 posted on 06/12/2009 7:10:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: NicknamedBob
Reconstructing an image is usually based on a repetition of a key indicator, such as the beginning of the brightness of the sky.

Establishing a scale, in other words. "Sky" is a poor reference -- especially at night but consider dusk or dawn where it's in the middle of range of light-to-dark.

My experience of digital camera photos (esp. "RAW" photos, similar to film negatives) often starts with the range the camera acquired. THEN you process to full bright, full black, and the treatment of the range between. (I'm not going into HDR here...)

And yes, "I have a visual" indicates a preference for a traditional pixel-by-pixel (or equivalent analog) signal wth scan-line and frame delimiters. Not sure how that works under compression schemes...

29 posted on 06/12/2009 7:13:11 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|"AlsoSprachTelethustra"-NonValueAdded|Lk21:36|FireTheLiar)
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To: SunkenCiv
"There’s a chapter on the Farnsworth work and the spinoffs."

Dr. Bussard was very skeptical of any ultimate success for magnetic confinement, regardless of how many billions were spent, basically because the problems scale along with the other dimensions.

His Google presentation, about an hour long, was riveting. He showed both eagerness and frustration. Clearly he knew he was running out of time.

One of the main advantages of electrostatic confinement is that the target positive ions are drawn directly into the fusion area by its electric potential. In fact, they oscillate back and forth repeatedly until they collide. If they can collide at the correct angle and with enough energy, you will get fusion.

I'm confident that the problems can be worked out, or acceptable compromises developed. Remember, break-even may be the energy goal, but any production of heat can be useful.

Even a pulse design, using standard magnetic coils for brief periods, rather than superconductors, could potentially provide sufficient energy for some applications, though such would not be suitable for community electrical production.

30 posted on 06/12/2009 7:33:48 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: sionnsar
And yes, "I have a visual" indicates a preference for a traditional pixel-by-pixel (or equivalent analog) signal wth scan-line and frame delimiters. Not sure how that works under compression schemes... "

More advanced compression schemes might eventually prevent signal recognition, not because of signal strength, but because of a lack of recognizable repetition.

It would be as if a modern computer screen image were being transmitted to an old black and white Emerson with a mineral screen.

If the signal is intended to be received by others, then it should be decipherable. You can see some of this displayed in some science fiction shows as a highly pixelated image becomes sharper as more information fills in the decompression algorithm.

31 posted on 06/12/2009 7:41:33 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: SC DOC

Thorium is a good idea, and it’s abundant in friendly countries.


32 posted on 06/12/2009 8:01:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Scanian

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The Suppression of Inconvenient Facts in Physics
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2266921/posts
Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:50:26 PM · by Kevmo · 76 replies · 854+ views
Suppressed Science.Net ^ | 12/06/08 | http://www.suppressedscience.net/

The End of Snide Remarks Against Cold Fusion
Friday, June 05, 2009 5:56:08 PM · by Kevmo · 69 replies · 926+ views
Free Republic, Gravitronics.net and Intrade ^ | 6/5/09 | kevmo, et al
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2265914/posts


33 posted on 06/12/2009 10:26:29 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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"If the US government is going to toss around trillions of dollars, then I think tossing a few hundred billion at Fusion would seem to make as much sense as anything else."

Fusion is nuclear? That question was put to Rep. Henry Waxman during his committee hearings. He said nuclear produced waste and did not qualify as "renewables" or green for the purposes of stimulus $.

yitbos

34 posted on 06/13/2009 12:39:58 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman; neverdem

He said nuclear produced waste and did not qualify as “renewables” or green for the purposes of stimulus $.

But “solar panels” reqirubg as energy to build as they produce from the sun during their (relatively short) lifespan, “don’t” produce any waste - of ocurse. And the batteries that last only 3-5 years also are waste free, have no toxic chemicals, and don’t require any energy or resources to make.

can these people - AND THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THESE LIARS - be any more stupid?


35 posted on 06/13/2009 7:47:53 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: NicknamedBob

Interesting!


36 posted on 06/13/2009 7:50:56 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ClearCase_guy; steelyourfaith; xcamel
If the US government is going to toss around trillions of dollars, then I think tossing a few hundred billion at Fusion would seem to make as much sense as anything else.

Ah - But you have been deluded, dear sir!

Why do you think that the Zero's administration “wants” to solve the US energy problems that they created? They are NOT interested in any solution.

37 posted on 06/13/2009 7:54:09 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Been there, done that, read the book!

Guy “really” doubts traditional big-physics fusion will work.


38 posted on 06/13/2009 7:59:45 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; SunkenCiv; Professional Engineer; sionnsar
"Guy “really” doubts traditional big-physics fusion will work."

Bussard really doubted it too, as he made fairly clear in his Google presentation.

But he was quite enthusiastic about electrostatic confinement, as am I, ever since reading the Analog article too many ages ago.

39 posted on 06/13/2009 9:13:24 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; NicknamedBob

perhaps of interest:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2158075/posts


40 posted on 06/13/2009 3:49:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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