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A Wicked Deed in Wichita - A Test for the Pro-Life Movement
Christian Post ^ | 6/1/09 | R. Albert Mohler, Jr

Posted on 06/01/2009 1:50:49 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: massgopguy
I won’t shed a tear for Tiller. But his killer is in no way part of the Pro-Life movement.

The difference between Tiller and his killer is that Tiller was a legal murderer, totally unrestrained and even praised and protected by this "nation of laws." I can't see Tiller's killer; there are too many dead babies in the way.
41 posted on 06/01/2009 2:39:53 PM PDT by farmer18th (If you preach "too big to let fail," you're also preaching "too small to let succeed.")
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To: LauraJean
You make some excellent points....

Too bad society has been so propagandized they can't see the wisdom of your words.

The sheeple will do & think as they're instructed...

..that's why we're in such dangerous times.

42 posted on 06/01/2009 2:44:09 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: wagglebee
Now, the premeditated murder of Dr. George Tiller in the foyer of his church is the headline scandal - not the abortions he performed and the cause he represented.

On the contrary, I believe the other side can't even mention Tiller's name without bringing up a mental image of the sort of butchery he performed--and we certainly shouldn't even let the focus shift to what happened to Tiller. This discussion, start to finish, should be about what a horrible, remorseless murderer Dr. Tiller really was.
43 posted on 06/01/2009 2:55:06 PM PDT by farmer18th (If you preach "too big to let fail," you're also preaching "too small to let succeed.")
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To: wagglebee
Whenever the government gets too far afield from the principles in the Declaration of Independence, they risk Civil War. In 1860 it was the "all men are created equal" clause; today it is the inalienable right to life. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

A people that cannot agree on the fundamental principles of government bring themselves chaos and strife and anarchy. The most forgotten word in the title of the Declaration of Independence is "unanimous." Thanks to the moral relativism, multiculturalism, communism, socialism, anti-americanism brought to us by the Democrats for well over 150 years, those of us willing to pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor for the principles of 1776 are a minority. Without a new birth of freedom -- a government of the people, by the people, for the people, will perish from the earth.

44 posted on 06/01/2009 2:55:10 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

I couldn’t agree more.


45 posted on 06/01/2009 2:56:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

When the law refuses to redress a crime, someone somewhere is apt to take the law into his own hands.

Most of us would pray for the abortionist’s soul, and try to get him saved, trusting on the holy spirit to do his work in the man’s soul. But he was in a church that didn’t notice there was anything wrong.

We have a “church” that refused to tell him he was wrong, and we have an unrepentant abortionist serving the sacraments, and using his church membership for cover as he defends the indefensible in the press.

In the United States, you can be put to death for murder, usually only if there are “special circumstances” such as serial murder or murder for hire. Tiller was guilty of both serial murder “and” murder for hire, but he practiced a protected form of murder so there was no legal recourse. So the law of “karma” kicked in and now he faces a higher court.

Its a tragedy that Tiller wasted the life God gave him, and its a shame it ended under such crummy circumstances.


46 posted on 06/01/2009 2:59:45 PM PDT by marron
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To: wagglebee
Now, the premeditated murder of Dr. George Tiller in the foyer of his church is the headline scandal - not the abortions he performed and the cause he represented.

I love Dr Mohler but: "the abortions that he performed and the cause he represented" were never a headline scandal and would never have been a headline scandal. I agree that Tiller was murdered but why do I feel like a coward? The church is not doing enough. I am not doing enough. I feel no guilt for Tiller's death. Will the nation be judged for it?

I firmly believe that the day will come, and may not be far off, when abortions will be imposed by the state as in China. In that day we will have to decide whether we will defend the blood of our own unborn children because we have not defended the blood of our neighbor's children.

Psalm 94
1 O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
3 LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?
4 How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?
5 They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.
6 They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.
7 Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.
8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;
13 That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.
14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
15 But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.
16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
17 Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.
18 When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.
19 In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.
20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.

22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wicked

Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

47 posted on 06/01/2009 3:01:28 PM PDT by Theophilus (The people who were going to buy your home got aborted 30 years ago.)
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To: wagglebee

In World War 2. Some Germans thought it was appropriate to take justice into their own hands and attempted to murder Adolph Hitler with a bomb.

I imagine this only hurt the anti-holocaust issue with the undecided German population.

During the 18th and 19th Century, some slaves would sometimes try to rise up and to murder their owners or slave owners. This turned those undecided on the slave issue against them.

As you can see, violence is never works.


49 posted on 06/01/2009 3:12:25 PM PDT by MNDude
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What we have here is one murderer, murdering another murderer. They both will stand before God and neither will justified, but proclaimed guilty. I have no doubt bu t what Tiller changed his stand on abortion yesterday. He was a day late
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50 posted on 06/01/2009 3:16:36 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
I never suggested forming vigilantes that is your conclusion.. I have made no statement on righteousness..That is your interpretation.I have not said I would go out and shoot anyone. you made that claim.

I don't think anyone has to tell Jesus anything, don't you know that He already knows...Since I have not formed what you suggest, I cannot count you in or out...that statement of yours is owned by you. I also never said they could tell Jesus how righteous they are, that statement is owned by you..

Per your freeper name, O has funny ears and I will make fun of them or yours if yours are funnier than his..

51 posted on 06/01/2009 3:18:52 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Elpasser

I would say that Tiller received justice.


52 posted on 06/01/2009 3:57:24 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Theophilus
In that day we will have to decide whether we will defend the blood of our own unborn children because we have not defended the blood of our neighbor's children.

Well said.

And yes, I think our nation will be judged....is being judged....for the 54 million unborn babies allowed to die.

53 posted on 06/01/2009 4:21:35 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: wagglebee

If the Civil War was all about secession, my point question is even more pointed. Which is a greater injustice: secession or legalized abortion on demand?


54 posted on 06/01/2009 4:37:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Guenevere
And yes, I think our nation will be judged....is being judged....for the 54 million unborn babies allowed to die.

My dear, those 54 million babies were not "allowed to die". They were deliberately and willfully killed by hired slaughterers; their dirty deeds were paid for retail, by individual citizens.

The denizens of Nazi Germany at least had the bad excuse that the killing was being done by uniformed government goons. In America, it's being done by private citizens. Which is worse?

55 posted on 06/01/2009 4:46:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears; Admin Moderator
Once again (since you're saw fit to have my response nuked): I posed a couple of questions for discussion. If you'd like to discuss them, fine.

"Putting words in my mouth" is boorish, and reflects badly on those who do it. If that's all you can manage, I have no interest in discussing anything with you.

AM: Do I assume correctly that the reference to donkeys was too much for this thead?

56 posted on 06/01/2009 4:54:02 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

See what I wrote here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2262396/posts?page=26#26


57 posted on 06/01/2009 4:55:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: evangmlw
They both will stand before God and neither will justified, but proclaimed guilty.

John Brown also died and stood before God. I'm a little curious to know how you think he was judged? What was the verdict?

58 posted on 06/01/2009 4:56:38 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee
However, I do not believe that their is ANY CHANCE that the federal government would start another war to preserve the Union.

You have far more confidence in the FedGov's restraint than I have. Let's say Texas tells FedGov to take a hike. They could, plausibly, make it stick.

You really think FedGov wouldn't respond with force?

59 posted on 06/01/2009 4:59:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee
Your response there doesn't address the question of whether FedGov was justified in using force to end secession the first time. The Union is widely (though not universally) considered the good guys in the Civil War; that the resort to war in response to South Carolina's declaration of independence, and attempt to reduce the threat posed by Fort Sumter was correct and justified.

If, in fact, the Union's resort to war was a justified response to secession ... what is justified response to abortion.

Which is the greater injustice: secession or abortion?

60 posted on 06/01/2009 5:03:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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