For Conservatives who seriously want to kick some RINO butt...

5/10/09 | Ron C

[NoPrisoners]

Is it possible - that you and those like Ron C. are both right? YES - both/and. Not one or the other. We should not blow apart the Conservative movement. We should grow and prosper Conservatives and anything that doesn’t do that well or effectively should be under our scrutiny. We also need to heed the lessons of history and reality - and not tilt after windmills. Let’s all play our parts - while we pray to God our Father to bring back the principles of this nation to which we have formerly and still aspire to.

Amen! Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!

[NoPrisoners]

Every time the GOP gets the majority, they reach across the isle and go all squishy because they don;t have conservative core principles. So, nothing happens. The Dems just got power and crammed 80 years of smoldering Communism up our *sses in 100 days. Get it? Have power and USE it. But, our RINO friends just can't do it.

DITTO! In other words - "Grow a pair or get out of there!"

Carrot - get to stay in D.C.

Stick - Third party candidate that could whup yo *ss!

[napscoordinator]

My serious question is...do we have enough conservatives to win elections...particularly Pressidential elections. If we do than I say get rid of the moderates. If not than we have to be very careful....Keep in mind, immigration is not on our side...we are not going to get a large percentage of the immigration population that become American citizens in the next few years.

[ROTB]

BTTT

[Man50D]

“Third - one thing needs to be understood clearly. Conservatives are extremely unlikely to ever prosper outside of the Republican Party.

Conservatives haven't only prospered within the OP but have been deliberately excluded from the party. Beyond that point, your point is based on mere speculation.

Third parties have done nothing to prosper conservatism, throughout this nation’s history.

This is based on the false presumption we have a two party system. In fact the OP has moved to the socialist left under a big tent, all inclusive, bipartisan mentality creating a one socialist Republicrat party system. A party based on strong Conservative principles will restore the two party system. This point has been expressed to you in the past and yet you continue to ignore this fact.

In fact, the few that have claimed conservatism (and largely aren’t) have repeatedly succeeded in doing nothing more than electing Democrats in the districts where third party candidates drew 1 to 2% of the vote – the margin by which the Democrat won.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for creating this situation. You continue to espouse Republicanism while members such as Colin Powell keep publicly stating a big tent, more to the socialist left mentality. It is a stark contradiction you also conveniently choose to ignore.

The message to you is we can force the Republican Party to acknowledge the Conservative power base. We can do it through a comprehensive approach to the primaries and general elections that includes indepedents and 3rd party candidates running against RINOs, while still supporting true Republican conservatives.

Every time this point is raised I ask the same question to which I have yet to receive ans answer. Why wasn't this plan implemented long ago when the OP was far more in line with Conservative principles? You failed to accomplish this task under far more favorable conditions for Conservatives. It's illogical to assume it will happen now with the party more sympathetic to socialism than ever.

The Republicans WILL get the message.

They haven't gotten it for years and continue to move farther to the socialist left. Your time has come and gone as a major player. Conservative are tired of the lip service you and fellow Republican party members spew to Conservatives while continuing to act in a manner more associated with socialism. Pitching your snake oil at a Conservative website is steadily losing its effectiveness.

[Man50D]

Correction on the opening sentence. It should read: Conservatives haven’t only not prospered within the OP but have been deliberately excluded from the party.

[Old Sarge]

Does this mean their ideas are dead as well?

Yes.

Next question...

[Old Sarge]

Kev, you're not going to get anyone to agree on a litmux matrix.

The reason is back at Post 19.

At last count, there were 150,000 registered FReepers. If that number is assumed right, then we're outnumbered 400 to 1 by the Leftists alone - to say nothing about the RINO's and the moderates.

If you can't even convince 150K that you're right, you think you have a chance convincing 60 million?

[Free Vulcan]

Well by God let’s just all blow our brains out right now. I fail to understand why even come to your keyboards to type that drivel. Just be done with it already.

You have two choices - fight or they eventually come to get you in the night. My choice is to fight and to work internally in the Republican party.

You can make vague accusations about corruption and RINO’s in the leadership. Just hand waving and smoke blowing. Anybody in the party knows it’s a mixed bag and there’s a constant internal war going on for power between the conservatives and moderates. It would be nice if some of you suckass whiners would join in and tip the balance. I’m not holding my breath.

Oh yeah, BTW, I am my county party’s co-chair, I know and converse with a number of GOP county leaders in my district and in my state, right up to the state chair. You know not of what you speak.

[Victory Rocks]

I totally agree with you Ron. I dare any of those who are advocating third parties to give me evidence of how voting for third party losers like Alen Keys has advanced the conservative movement.

Plus if going third party is the way to go then how come Ronald Reagan didn't go down that path after he lost to Ford in the 1976 primary. Reagan could have easily gotten himself into a hissy fit and ran as an independent in 1980 claiming the GOP was nothing but a bunch of gutless RINOs who abandoned him.

I thank God Reagan stuck with the GOP because if he had run as a third party candidate in 1980 he would have split the conservative vote, giving us four more years of Jimmy Carter and denying us eight years of the Reagan Revolution and the greatest era of freedom and prosperity this nation has ever had.

As someone who greatly admires Reagan and his great legacy it is my desire to follow his example and not just hear his words because the Reagan I admired not only was a great speaker who gave great speeches, he was a man who put his words into action which is what I remember most about him. I believe if he were around today he would still be a committed Republican despite it's faults, because it had many of those same faults when he ran in 1976 and in 1980.

If the GOP was good enough for Reagan it's good enough for me and I want to do everything I can to change it from within. If we conservatives can't take back a political party then how can we ever expect to take back a whole nation? Plus what will conservatives do if their favorite third party becomes infested with squishy moderates? Are we then going to hear conservatives blathering about how we need a fourth party?

[Man50D]

I fail to understand why even come to your keyboards to type that drivel.

That's understandable. Republicans would have an increasingly hard time understanding Conservatives since the party has been moving more towards socialism and consider Conservatives call for a party based strong Conservative principles as drivel.

You have two choices - fight or they eventually come to get you in the night. My choice is to fight and to work internally in the Republican party.

Conservatives are fighting. They are fighting the incremental socialism that has turned the once two party system into one big socialist Republicrat party system by realizing forming a party strong on Conservative values will restore the two party system. That isn't a choice. It is further acceptance of a party that has repeatedly stomped on Conservative values over many years. It's the political version of battered wife syndrome.

You can make vague accusations about corruption and RINO’s in the leadership.

My statements of fact couldn't be more clear. The OP has become another arm of the socialist movement. Conservatives have become the RINO's since they are now the minority. The increasingly socialist leadership is the prevailing attitude in the party.

Oh yeah, BTW, I am my county party’s co-chair, I know and converse with a number of GOP county leaders in my district and in my state, right up to the state chair.

How sad for you. You have my condolences.

You know not of what you speak.

You know not where you blog. This is a Conservative website, not a Republican website.

[Free Vulcan]

What eloquent empty words. You and whatever group of conservatives you are talking about can fight in whatever mythical arena doing whatever mythical things you’re talking about. Good luck in your building those castles in the clouds.

You make sweeping condemnations of the GOP yet I doubt you’ve even done any work whatsoever in your local party much less at any higher level. Yet you seem to know the party from top to bottom by some sort of voodoo osmosis. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and you will never never ever get any farther than your keyboard.

Yet you feel somehow you have the right to criticize.

[NoPrisoners]

I remember you! Was on FR from 2000 to about 2005, but forgot my SN and password. Yeah, you’re just as forgettable today. Cheers!

[verity]

Well said.

[webschooner]

Try reading what I wrote. No problem with FR. Problem with the forum this was posted in.

Activism category is appropriate. I found it in Breaking News. Vanities shouldn’t be in Breaking News.

[Rockingham]

A conservative third party effort requires a super wealthy, credible conservative candidate for President — a Perot without Perot’s quirkiness and controlling personality. Since no such paladin has appeared on the scene, we must make do with the GOP, as Reagan so successfully did.

[NoPrisoners]

I fail to understand why even come to your keyboards to type that drivel. Just be done with it already. You have two choices - fight or they eventually come to get you in the night. My choice is to fight and to work internally in the Republican party.

Bravo! And it's good practice for debating leftists!

[sam_paine]

America's Independent Party has discovered the cure.

That's smart remarketing of freedom and liberty.

As waterboard's chart shows, both party brands are in decline, as most people are just not hardcore ideologues, and are put off by single-issue folks as much as they are to Obama's Handbasket To Hell programs.

The USA is a consumer economy. People, even those with a conservative chord want to identify with the "independent" label.

Independent creates a natural coalition party, because it does not infer a litmus test like this thread demonstrates for "conservapurists."

[NoPrisoners]

Vanities shouldn’t be in Breaking News.

Well, Jim Rob must think this has some merit for it is still in Breaking News.

[Man50D]

What eloquent empty words.

The empty words are coming from Republicans who insist in their fertile imagination the party is till viable for Conservatives while the likes of a high profile Republican like Colin Powell, who supports BO, publicly states the OP is for more taxes and bigger government or the likes GWB and John McCain who insist on amnesty for illegal aliens and are willing to cede at least some of our national sovereignty to the world order UN.

You and whatever group of conservatives you are talking about can fight in whatever mythical arena doing whatever mythical things you’re talking about.

Dumping socialism and standing firm on Conservative principles is no myth. It's a fact. The group of Conservatives you refer to are those here at FR! You attempt to insult and dismiss the very group from which you want support! Great strategy! LOL!!!

You make sweeping condemnations of the GOP yet I doubt you’ve even done any work whatsoever in your local party much less at any higher level.

Thank you for perfectly illustrating the deep denial amongst the rank and file OP of the sweeping change from Conservatism to socialism in the OP over the past several years.

Yet you seem to know the party from top to bottom by some sort of voodoo osmosis.

You obviously don't have a clue why Conservatives are disgusted with the socialist Republicrat party nor do you care.

Yet you feel somehow you have the right to criticize.

You feel Conservatives don't have the right to criticize, contrary to the first amenedment, because they have a dissenting point of view. This is the same tact the socialist RATS use and only further illustrates my point how far left the OP has gone.