Posted on 03/21/2009 7:02:03 AM PDT by Liz
Waco is in no way comparable to the institution of slavery and you would clearly have been indifferent to the sufferings of slaves in that day. Be grateful you were not born under such circumstances because that was the United States’ great sin and it did need to be purged through blood.
‘Bleeding Kansas’ was in fact a war zone. Those murdered were leaders of the slave movement that murdered, brutalized, and was actively involved in stealing an election process and denying opposition. So, yes, it was warfare that Brown moved from Kansas to the slave states that were involving themselves in the equation of spreading it further to other states and the continuing issue of the humanity of slavery in a country that was supposed to stand for freedom.
Brown was fighting the slave states and an institution that this country was grossly hypocritical on and involved the lives of those unfortunate to be born of the wrong origin and pigment to be treated as their ‘master’ saw fit. I don’t see the comparisons and find it sickening that some don’t want to admit to the great shame that slavery was to this ‘free’ country. Like I say, easy for you to look at it as ho-hum, carry on and no bloodshed. It was a tremendous wrong that needed to be righted and it was already 83 yrs. and nothing being done about it.
Innocent people are always killed in warfare. Those in Kansas were the equivilent of Charles Manson as far as I’m concerned with what they were doing to abolitionists.
And just where do you come up with that? Obviously not ALL of the slaves were brutalized and many became part of families, but to deny that it was completely A-OK for the whims of the master to treat them as how they saw fit and for many it was brutal-rape, beatings, separation of families, nasty living conditions. There is nothing romantic about slavery and you need to step away from the notion that it was somehow OK and the ‘majority’ weren’t treated that way. Even one more day was an injustice to the many slaves who were victims of its ugliness.
Yeah, but the precious South just couldn’t stop meddling in Kansas and spreading slavery elsewhere and using violent and vicious means to stop opposition to the despicable institution.
Yeah, how convenient to grasp onto an unfortunate casualty to further the cause to deny opposition to ending an institution that would have had that poor man back in chains and being left at the mercy of his ‘master’.
However, they had no freedom! Just like in the land of Hope and Change.
Wouldn’t it be something if in the next life you experienced the life of one of those lucky slaves?! I mean it’s just something to aim for to know how good they had it and how this was nothing but a pesky issue that should have dragged on another day. Learn the story of Dangerfield Newby, who was the first raider to die, and what he went through in an attempt to free his wife and children. THAT is what it was about.
That argument is made a lot, but when you get down to it, it was about keeping their “n***ers” as they would say. They were not shedding blood over anything else. Not a cause I would have been proud to have died for. Sad there were a lot of ignorant men who went to their deaths for such a cause. Misguided, but that was it just the same.
Yes, it would have been much more prudent to procrastinate for more yrs. and yrs. with the same old, same old while countless slaves were sent to their grave because they were nothing more than a mule, a horse, a pig to be led to slaugher or something for personal enjoyment and so what if their offspring gets sold off elsewhere because they can live happily knowing it’s what they were born for! Freedom is not free. The United States paid dearly for its sins and it had to.
Very Kenyan.
Deranged-John-Brown-roasting-in-hell commemoration.
Brown was a murdering butchering terrorist who practiced his terrorism in Kansas, not a slave state. He drug slavery sympathisers from their homes in the dead of the night and disembowled them in front of their wives and children. He did it because "God was whispering in his ear" These were not slave holders he did this to, but common people who thought slavery was ok.
You keep wanting to turn this discussion to slavery when my remarks have been about John Brown and how he operated. I get it- slavery bad, now you need to get it, terrorism bad too even when you believe God is telling you to gut people while their children watch.
Excellent logic, and point.
yeah whatever a lot that violent and vicious means was carried out up north by mops who were deeply opposed to abolition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abolitionist_riots_(1834)
http://www.slaveryinnewyork.org/tour_galleries.htm
and I will not mention the northern slave traders or the African chiefs that sold members of the less sophisticated tribes as slaves after raiding and burning their villages
it's so like a DY to believe the worst of us southrons.
the FACTS are that The War Between the States was:
a. from the northern perspective, ONLY about keeping the south IN the union & SUBSERVIENT to northern industrial/financial interests.
and
b. from the southron perspective, it was about getting our FREEDOM.
it's really no more complicated than this: you & 99% of modern Americans have been LIED TO & MADE FOOLS OF by "your betters", who cared NOTHING for the "plight of the slaves" in the 19th century & NOTHING about you NOW.
they just want you DY sympathizers to HATE the south & southerners.
free dixie,sw
NOTHING, from first to last that they disd, was decent/honorable or even well-intentioned. (face it, you're defending FILTH.)
that is the TRUTH, despite the bilge that you've been force-fed, in the "gubmint appruved publick screwls".
free dixie,sw
a neutral examination of the FACTS of the period shows up the DY government & "the lincoln misadministration" to be the cheap scheming politicians/nitwits/crooks/bigots/antisemites/south-HATERS that they actually were.
face it, you've been LIED TO & MADE A FOOL OF your whole life. further, "your betters" in the hate-FILLED bastions of DAMNyankeedom "laugh up their sleeves" at anyone who believes their SELF-serving, intentional lies.
nearly a MILLION people died NEEDLESSLY for a pack of DAMNyankee LIES. it's really no more complicated than that.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
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