Posted on 03/01/2009 12:42:10 PM PST by Richard Poe
This is one of those tribesmen who has NO use for any of the Kennedys or their fellow travelers. OR those who empower them.
Because there stupid. You get what you pay for. As for Catholics they get what they voted for. I don’t feel sorry for idiots.
To which wmfights replies: Denying reality only aids the enemy.
I don't think anyone is denying reality here. While I don't put much stock in exit polls (or any other kind of polls, for that matter), I find the 55 percent figure plausible, for exactly the reason that Natural Law states.
In most cases, an ethnic Catholic would identify himself to a pollster as "Catholic", even if he did not belong to a parish and did not attend church.
I should know. I used to be one of those non-practicing, ethnic Catholics, before finally returning to the Church a few years ago.
Incidentally, I also spent about four years in an evangelical church, back in the 1980s. It's a very different culture. As far as I could tell, there simply is no such thing as a non-practicing evangelical. You're either in or out. If you leave the church, you stop describing yourself as an evangelical.
Given that fact, I am puzzled as to why 25 percent of self-described evangelicals would have told exit pollsters that they voted for Obama.
Non-practicing Catholics voting Dem makes perfect sense to me. But practicing evangelicals? That's puzzling.
Something that is amiss in this discussion is that:
from Pew Research:
“Weekly attending white Catholics also voted Republican, by a still larger majority.”
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1112/religion-vote-2008-election
Same here (well, half Irish). And I was born and raised in Boston. Got out for good in my late 20s. I saw the Irish mob running the show. Kennedy's people used to come to my work soliciting for the IRA back in the '70s and '80s. It was appalling.
This is more than about Catholics, and it won’t be just Catholis who will suffer.
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They are ignorant of what it means to be Christian. We have the same problem in the Baptist churches. The only difference is the % is less.
...they get what they voted for.
But what they voted for will impact all of us.
There probably is a difference in %'s by region and area. I'm in Chicago and the vast majority of Roman Catholics that I know voted for 0. A great many of them regular church attenders.
Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI affirm that the right to own property is a basic human right. You couldn’t find a stronger opponent of Socialism than JPII—he lived under it. JPII’s Centesimus Annus recognizes that free markets are necessary to proper human sense of self-worth and work.
Benedict XVI if anything has even greater respect for the free market system.
However, neither of them endorses unfettered laissez-faire capitalism. Catholicism recognizes, as did our Founding Fathers, that the common good has a claim on individual property. So neither of these popes would approve of extreme Libertarianism. But neither approves of socialism.
If you knew anything whatsoever about Catholic teaching, you would know that Leo XIII in the late 1800s declared that both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism were wrong. Private property is a fundamental right but the common good has a claim on us all.
Catholics and Pope Pius XII were stalwart anti-communists, so much so that the Communists tried to take him down by claiming he collaborated with Hitler, just like the Communists tried to kill Johh Paul II.
Left and right debates are really about just how the common good’s claim on us all gets implemented. Benedict XVI may differ with you on the extent of that claim of the common good, but that does not make him or John Paul II a socialist.
No one articulated a more full-orbed rigorous defense of freedom than did John Paul II—freedom in all areas, beginning with religious freedom but including property-ownership freedom and therefore free markets.
Yes, and let's not forget that many big-city Catholics are Caribbean Islanders (including Haitians, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and others) who may have voted for Obama out of misguided racial solidarity, just as so many Irish voted for Ted Kennedy for so many years.
I too am one of those tribesmen.
How do you explain gay marriage in Boston, Massachusetts and abortion all over liberal New York? Many are great social conservatives but I would not even say they are the majority of the Catholics. Unions control the hearts and minds of many Catholics. Unionism is the dominant religion in those areas.
If there was anything to exit polls we’d have had President Kerry in ‘04.
Which proves my point that Catholics are NOT fiscally conservative.
Fiscal matters are the root of conservativism, not social matters. Thus, when the fiscal root is rotten, the social tree will be corroded, even when the social values were once conservative. Boston and NY are a good example of this.
You can take any good, moral bunch of people; if they hold fiscally liberal beliefs they will end up being immoral in the end.
Hmmm. I know that a lot of atheist libertarian types take that position, but I wouldn't be so quick to describe it as conservatism, properly speaking.
There are plenty of blue-collar evangelicals who don't like the rich, have lost manufacturing jobs and lean toward a social gospel.
The Dems mined those areas this time and won many of those districts.
I can barely stand to look at her these days.
Also, many, many godly people.
Godly people know that individual libery in fiscal matters leads to more individual responsibility. As a sense of individual responsibility grows in society, families are healthier. Thus, community is stronger...many social issues take care of themselves.
In addition, the church prospers because the Gov't is no longer looked to as the prime dispenser of charity; the church is restored to her charitable functions. These are godly dynamics.
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