Cantor Rejects Rush Limbaugh Rhetoric

ABC News ^ | 03/01/09

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

The weak hands in the Republican party need to be cast aside. You either stand for something or you fall for anything.

I agree. I just don't think that one vote or one "bad" interview (which is being overblown here anywise) makes somebody a "weak hand". Cantor has 100% pro-life, pro-gun, ACU voting records. Shoot, he's probably more conservative than you are! (j/k)

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

I apologise to you both for coming on strong. My purpose for this was to try to make a point. You both, as well as some others, seem like you wouldn't be satisfied unless Cantor had called for the head of Barack Obama to be delivered to him personally. Barring that, Cantor's a weak-kneed RINO who doesn't represent conservatives, yada yada. My point is that coming on strong on national television wouldn't have a counterproductive effect. Let me ask you - are you more inclined to support my position, now that I've gotten done raking you over the coals with a pair of razor-edged tongs? Probably not.

So why do you think Cantor would have done conservatism a service if he'd come out and laid into Obama hard core?

[meyer]

Cantor’s wrong, Rush is right. I wonder how many more will be weeded out by responding to Rush’s speech at CPAC...

[Belle22]

Cantor just needs to learn to say, “I don’t accept the underlying premise of your question,” and then re-state the issue in an acceeptable way. I realize he may face a fight, but it’s better than giving in. These journalists are not the brightest bulbs on the tree. Asking, “When did you stop beating your wife” questions is just their lazy way of leading a better-intentioned guest into a trap.

But then, the more I see of Congressmen, the more I seek deliverance elsewhere. Hard to recognize this as the same country that, from a much smaller population, produced Adams, Franklin, Jefferson & Washington - at the same time.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

You either support the socialization of the US economy of Obama (Cantor) or you hope Obama fails (Rush).

So on the basis of a one-sentence diplomatic statement in an interview, you're assuming that Canton supports the socialisation of the US economy?

Sorry, but no. THAT has no credibility.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Cantor just needs to learn to say, “I don’t accept the underlying premise of your question,” and then re-state the issue in an acceeptable way. I realize he may face a fight, but it’s better than giving in. These journalists are not the brightest bulbs on the tree. Asking, “When did you stop beating your wife” questions is just their lazy way of leading a better-intentioned guest into a trap.

That right there is ultimately the problem here - Cantor wasn't thinking on his feet enough to dodge or refute an obviously slanted question.

[gorilla_warrior]

Trying to drive a wedge through the GOP is like trying to drive a wedge through a pile of marshmallows. Cantor: anyone who supports Obama in any way is my enemy. No more “lesser of two evils”.

[SharpRightTurn]

Cantor: “I don’t think anyone wants anything to fail right now.”

Speak for yourself, Mr. Cantor.

Here is one that wants to see any unconstitutional, gargantuan, federal spending bill fail.

And I also want to see the shuck-and-jive Marxist president we have who is pushing this stuff fail, just as Rush so eloquently put it.

[Belle22]

In a lighter vein, Ann Coulter did this well when sparring with Joy Behar recently. Ann knew she was dealing with a hostile airhead, so Ann just played with Joy by challenging the premise of Joy’s argumentative questions.

BEHAR: So you would like him to continue torturing people, is that what you’re telling me?

COULTER: We don’t torture people, Joy. (LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: We don’t? That’s not what I heard.

COULTER: No. Though, if they’re really bad — no.

BEHAR: If they’re really bad, we torture them.

COULTER: I was going to say, they start showing them old “Views.”

BEHAR: “The View.” Oh, yes, you’ve been on the show.

That — did you feel we ganged up on you last time?

COULTER: No...

BEHAR: Or somewhat?

COULTER: It was a lot of fun. It was like the sisterhood of the traveling pants. ....

BEHAR: So what do you care if we ganged up on you?

COULTER: I didn’t say you ganged up on me. You did.

BEHAR: Well, you sort of acted like we did.

COULTER: No, I said it was a Joyful occasion.

For the Congressmen, some pre-deposition run-throughs with a trained litigator might help them answer, as they must, in an acceptable way. Cantor, et al. do need to accept that these journalists are the enemy, not just fellow-travelers of the Beltway who’ve invited them to a cocktail party.

[Kackikat]

yes, there are some that don’t care about others.

[WaterBoard]

Wow, public schools failed us in education.

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When Men are confronted with a situation that causes them to state what the truly beleive, the don't use weasel words.

You are either for the Obama plan or against it. Rush is firmly against it. When Cantor was asked where he stood he stated he was 'absolutely against' Rush.

I don't know how you can be any plainer in your political philosophy.

"So the Rush Limbaugh approach of hoping the president fails is not the Eric Cantor, House Republican approach?" I asked.

Face it, supporting RINO's didn't work with McCain.

"Absolutely not," Cantor said.

[B-Chan]

Touché.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Right. Tell you what. Let’s see how you do on your next televised interview with a hostile interviewer.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Oh gee, ya think I would?LMAO

[WaterBoard]

Knee jerk liberal debate tactic.

1) Avoid the central point of conversation.
2) Set up a straw man to deflect the weakness of your argument.

I don’t see how my debate skills are relevant to the unwillingness of an elected Republican Whip to be critical of a sea change in the function of the United States economy which borders on Socialism.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

I don’t see how my debate skills are relevant to the unwillingness of an elected Republican Whip to be critical of a sea change in the function of the United States economy which borders on Socialism.

You missed the whole point.

My statement was questioning whether you would have done any better in the same situation as Rep. Cantor did. In other words, you're criticising him severely, yet I doubt you'd have done any better, which means that I doubt that your criticism of him is either valid or fair. Which is neither avoiding the central point nor is it setting up a straw man. Instead, it's challenging the whole premise of your argument.

[WaterBoard]

You: "Right. Tell you what. Let’s see how you do on your next televised interview with a hostile interviewer."

You: "My statement was questioning whether you would have done any better in the same situation as Rep. Cantor did."

This is what a "Straw Man Argument" is for you edification:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries no evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

[WildcatClan]

When he retired, Hunter had a 92 lifetime ACU rating. That is quite impressive over a 26 year career. He wrote the Secure Fence Act and did all he could do to make it a reality. No candidate running for President was anymore qualified, and many, not nearly as qualified as Hunter. He was more knowledgeable on defense issues than any other candidate, McCain included.

Sitting behind a PC screen and picking and choosing votes you disagree with is quite easy. It is another thing entirely to be in the drivers seat and have to make the decision. We do not live in a perfect world, or country for that matter, where all people think just as you and I. I realize this and if you do not then I can certainly understand why you do not “understand the strange enthusiasm.”

[StnCldTruth]

Not to mention that Gingrich was the driving
force for S-CHIP...what a POS that legislation is

[DivaDelMar]

Sorry, but I don’t have time to waste watching a video of another idiot Republican. The article included this quote:

“”So the Rush Limbaugh approach of hoping the president fails is not the Eric Cantor, House Republican approach?” I asked.

“Absolutely not,” Cantor said. “And I don’t — I don’t think anyone wants anything to fail right now. We have such challenges. What we need to do is we need to put forth solutions to the problems that real families are facing today.” “

If that is an inaccurate quote, then the article should be pulled. If it is an accurate quote, I stand by my initial assertion. I want ZERO to fail. There. I said it again.