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American Thinker: The Future ("This is the Rosy Scenario")
American Thinker ^ | Randall Hoven

Posted on 02/01/2009 3:03:39 PM PST by quesney

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To: quesney

Randall might be on target, but he’s forgotten the human element here. The Soviets had an even larger state apparatus to control and contain their population, but in the end, they were just an empty shell. Everything outlined in this article would increase public cynicism about the government and officially-sponsored government activities, especially from the left. A culture with a disconnected elite and a sullen, disaffected mass might have the appearance of power, but when people are really needed, they won’t show up, or won’t care.

The end result of this scenario would be out-of-touch bureaucrats imposing meaningless regulation which would be ignored and subverted by most people - some of which already takes places in government-run insitutions like the public schools, where those of us who are conservative and patriotic silent put up with inane leftist workshops, return to the classroom, and teach what we wanted to in the first place. The scenario outlined in this article would grow the ranks of those who will be increasingly empowered to fight back in the old style of the slave, with incomplete work, half-assed efforts, sly subversion, and undermining the slaveowner. This also implies the occasional slave revolt.

In the words of the old Soviet joke, “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.”

Eventually it will disappear like the nothingness it is based upon.


21 posted on 02/01/2009 5:17:25 PM PST by redpoll
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To: quesney

The big assumption underpinning this scenario is that the economy recovers and Obama gets credit for it.

Frankly, I think the government will continue to have its own financial crises (what’s happening in California is a sneak peek of what will happen in the Federal government), continued deficit spending will crowd out private investment, thus stalling any economic recovery. We will be economically stagnating for years, and Obama will get booted out in 2012.

It all comes down to deficit spending and the uncertainty and pessimism becoming ever more prevalent among investors. Investments, not consumer spending, will lead us out of the recession. Investors have to be confident in future economic performance, AS WELL AS EXPECT PRIVATE INVESTMENTS TO OUTPERFORM GOVERNMENT BONDS, to begin investing, which will itself spur recovery.

Investors tend to see things as improving or on the verge of improving before consumers themselves do. All this talk of consumer spending and how it drives the economy ignores the critical business spending (i.e. investment) side of the equation.


22 posted on 02/01/2009 5:26:40 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
In 1976 we had an actually clueless president. The current president is NOT clueless. We have most definitely elected an Enemy. Carter was only an Arabist.
23 posted on 02/01/2009 6:01:18 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Truth29
One of the problems is determining which countries will survive the current tidal wave of socialism and worse that is sweeping the world. It is difficult to determine a long-term, freedom loving, safe harbor without running the risk that a new country might be even worse than the future USSA.

The thing that is the most amusing about the victorious, gloating Socialists is the way they're whistling past the mosque...

24 posted on 02/01/2009 7:10:00 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: redpoll
Eventually it will disappear like the nothingness it is based upon.

Actually, Islam's breeding machine will wash over the Socialists like a tsunami.

It WILL be hilarious - the feminists becoming pieces of meat for the men to own, the homosexuals dealt with according to Islamic law, the impotent subjugated Greenies watching in horror as the Muslims turn their beautiful nature preserves into rotting ghettoes dedicated to the glory of The Prophet, and Allah.

Oh, yes - and the return of outright slavery. Leftists make retarded morons look like rocket scientists.

25 posted on 02/01/2009 7:17:30 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: an amused spectator

You got that right.


26 posted on 02/01/2009 7:19:59 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Sender
[ Speaking of the midwestern ice storm, it appears that FEMA is a no-show ]

Hope no terrorists are watching and "thinking" about what just happened.. The whole area just shut down.. lock stock and barrel.. No water, gas, elec, gasoline, heat, grocerys or refrigeration.. Just shut down the elec grid.. and any area is in a world of hurt..

Would not take a couple of genius's to do it either..
Even a primitive sand monkey could do it..
A dirt bike and load of explosives.. boom no elect...

27 posted on 02/01/2009 8:06:22 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: quesney; marshmallow; lafroste; sickoflibs; neverdem
Those are my predictions for the short term, through Obama's first term. My long term predictions are worse. The US will be bankrupt by 2020, 2030 at the latest. We'll be such a basket case that few will care whether we are governed by communists or the caliphate (even fewer than now). Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and Switzerland will have to enact stricter laws to limit American immigration.

Doesn't seem too rosy to me...

28 posted on 02/01/2009 8:11:25 PM PST by GOPJ (What's caused 19 deaths, makes travel difficult, and won't melt til April? Global Warming.FR:Dentist)
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To: quesney
You will be very screwed.

Gulp is right!

29 posted on 02/01/2009 8:12:46 PM PST by GOPJ (What's caused 19 deaths, makes travel difficult, and won't melt til April? Global Warming.FR:Dentist)
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To: GOPJ; quesney; marshmallow; lafroste; neverdem

I think so. Not just because most in america think the gravy train is endless but also the baby boomers are retiring.


30 posted on 02/01/2009 8:31:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: " We will create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill")
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To: ChicagahAl
and ignoring the continuing indoctrination of students by the National Endoctrination Association (teachers are so dumb they can't even spell Indoctrination correctly); how are you going to overcome that with "hard work"?

We're going to need a better plan than that. Let's start out by supporting Michael Steele.

Start with yanking conservative kids from the government indoctrination camps ( misnamed "schools") tomorrow!

31 posted on 02/01/2009 9:10:09 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: GOPJ; quesney
I'm not that pessimistic or cynical. The rats have a history of overreach. Two oceans don't mean much any more. The world is full of surprises.

Bismarck: "God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America."

Quoted in Walter Russell Mead, Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How it Changed the World (2002). pg vii

32 posted on 02/01/2009 9:20:36 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
If or when there is another 9/11 the MSM and the government will do their best to make it look like a right wing plot on par with Timothy Mcvey, except this time it will involve all gun owning white male NRA members.
33 posted on 02/01/2009 9:57:51 PM PST by BBell
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To: Harrius Magnus; mojitojoe; Pelham; mom2twinsn2; LongLiveTheRepublic; ConservativeOrBust; ...
The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

Thanks to GOPJ who pinged me this one : Says the US will be bankrupt by 2020, 2030 at the latest.

34 posted on 02/02/2009 6:57:11 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: " We will create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill")
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To: quesney

One wild a$$ guess among 300 million, and worth no more than any others.


35 posted on 02/02/2009 7:13:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

Bismark had a bunch of great quotes, that’s a new one to me, thanks!


36 posted on 02/02/2009 7:14:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m sorry, I dont share your optimism. We no longer have the manufacturing jobs to pull us out of this one without creating a tax state.


37 posted on 02/02/2009 7:38:09 AM PST by kingpins9
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To: sickoflibs
Thanks to GOPJ who pinged me this one : Says the US will be bankrupt by 2020, 2030 at the latest.

Some would argue that the USA is bankrupt today...

38 posted on 02/02/2009 7:39:03 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: kingpins9

We don’t need manufacturing jobs.

We need to cut taxes across the board, eliminate taxes on capital and divends, and then have the government go on an austerity program.


39 posted on 02/02/2009 8:35:20 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

We dont need manufacturing jobs? That’s the most rediculous thing I have ever heard! Manufacturing pulled us out of the Great Depression. www.mises.org.


40 posted on 02/02/2009 9:42:36 AM PST by kingpins9
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