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Creationism Makes Its Mark
religion dispatches ^ | January 6, 2008 | Lauri Lebo

Posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:18 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter

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To: metmom
How did the initial group of people avoid becoming so inbred as to die out before they multiplied enough to become millions of the American Indians that populated this continent? And Central and South America?

Indian DNA Links To 6 ‘Founding Mothers’ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1985244/posts


Wow. metmom, you should probably re-read that article again and perhaps change your opinion on whether only 6 women populated the Americas.
161 posted on 01/09/2009 8:59:02 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: hosepipe

Define “spirit.”


162 posted on 01/09/2009 8:59:46 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: tpanther
Well then, if my example is a strawman, why don't you show me what a science that incorporated God would sound like?

And what would incorporating God do to Science other than drive away any who didn't share your view of God? A

nd if one invoked God's blessing or whatever upon the science they do, would they not then defend their interpretation as if it were something of God's rather than just a working model that helped explain and predict the data?

Not that I expect a rational answer out of you, but I guess I must at least extend the offer.

163 posted on 01/09/2009 9:00:37 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: metmom

For me, I see that sort of thing as a a good justification for the use of the abuse button.


Particularly on a pro-God site like FR!

How very many people are so confused about where they are!


164 posted on 01/09/2009 9:03:24 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
Look familiar metmom? So tell me what the difference would be if the exact same DNA was packaged in two sets of 23 chromosomes rather than two sets of 24? How do you see that as a detrimental mutation or any barrier to viability at all?
165 posted on 01/09/2009 9:03:35 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: metmom
Don’t let them snow you. They know what is meant by *macro-evolution.

Sorry, "they" don't. Because the creationists are always moving the macro goal posts, it's impossible to know. Remember just a short while ago there was NO evidence of evolution? Then, over the last maybe 8 years the majority of the creationists simply could not ignore the obvious and capitulated to allow for the so-called "micro evolution. And the micro is sure getting less and less micro. And soon, when you all realize a quadrillion micros jsut might perhaps result in something even you folks would accept as "macro," then we'll have gotten somewhere.

I’d like them to explain how changing the number of chromosomes in a creature can ever result in a positive beneficial mutation. Any time there’s a change in the number of mutations in humans it results in serious birth defects, often rendering the individual sterile.

Whoa! Changing the number of chromosomes is hardly A) required for evolution and B) the same thing as a "mutation!" Geeze. I can assure you that you have plenty of mutations in your DNA as surely as you sit and read this. Some of them "beneficial," most resulting in no noticeable change, and perhaps a couple are deleterious, but most likely haven't rendered you infertile (taking a leap here with the "metmom" moniker : ) don't wish to offend!
166 posted on 01/09/2009 9:05:34 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: allmendream; tpanther
And what would incorporating God do to Science other than drive away any who didn't share your view of God?

Haha, I know! Imagine the mess! Right here on Free Republic there's enough infighing among the Catholics and different Protestant denominations, imagine if we added the other world religions all in the name of science! Perhaps then we actually WOULD see something resembling the Apocalypse!
167 posted on 01/09/2009 9:08:41 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: hosepipe
Could be that being human in the flesh is a test for the human spirit.. Better not to flunk reality..

Last night there was a truck add on the football game show that featured three guys trying to pick a "winning" tool case from among nine. There were, of course, no clues or anything about the contest that would reward effort, knowledge or intelligence. Just luck.

Looks to me like a metaphor for religion. Those born at the right place and time get the right beliefs and get eternal life.

Effort to understand the world and how it works counts for nothing. Even more interesting, simply striving to do good works doesn't count.

The only thing that counts is being born into the right tribe and learning to recite the correct incantations.

168 posted on 01/09/2009 9:09:32 AM PST by js1138
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is based on the assumption that all constituents’ behaviors are more or less predictable (mass changes, temperature changes, energy changes, etc.).

To stretch that to living systems where each constituent unit will have unpredictable behavior to a large extent, is silly.

No, to think that something is EXEMPT from a LAW is what's silly.

If it didn't apply universally, it wouldn't be a law.

Perhaps you could then explain the deterioration of the human body with age. Perhaps you could explain where mutations come from. Perhaps you could explain exactly what the difference it between a dead body and a live one is. What is life? And why does the body begin to rot so quickly once the individual dies? Or more precisely, what is it that keeps the human body from resisting for so long the deterioration that the 2nd Law imposes on it ?

169 posted on 01/09/2009 9:09:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: whattajoke
[ Define “spirit.” ]

O.K... the spirit is LIFE.. for in a human when the spirit leaves the human flesh is dead.. and dead DNA and live DNA looks and is exactly the same.. Its just not ALIVE when the spirit leaves....

Is a carrot alive?.. I would say yes.. Then when does a carrot DIE?.. I dunno.. maybe a carrot has a kind of spirit?.. This is fun..

All of science has no idea what Life is.. or even death.. for to know what one is, the other should be obvious.. To wit; God, spirits, other things we cannot see.. or don't want to see..

Welcome to my sandbox.. but watch for Schroeders Cat poop..

170 posted on 01/09/2009 9:11:01 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: whattajoke

You just answered your own question.

That it was a cross is what’s got people so up in arms, at least judging by all the comments here about the shape and the guys religious beliefs.

I see hardly anybody addressing the fact that it is wrong to burn people, period.


171 posted on 01/09/2009 9:12:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: js1138
[ Looks to me like a metaphor for religion. Those born at the right place and time get the right beliefs and get eternal life. ]

I agree..
Lucky for us all Jesus came to make all religion on this planet obsolete.., AND DID..
The atheists are ungrateful whelps..

172 posted on 01/09/2009 9:14:40 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: metmom
I see hardly anybody addressing the fact that it is wrong to burn people, period.

FWIW, it's wrong to burn people exclamation point.
173 posted on 01/09/2009 9:14:53 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: hosepipe
Lucky for us all Jesus came to make all religion on this planet obsolete.., AND DID..

How come this news has yet to reach his homeland after all this time?
174 posted on 01/09/2009 9:17:08 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Yes, when a Catholic a Protestant a Buddhist an Atheist an Agnostic a Deist a Muslim a Mormon and a Jew all get together and agree on something, it is probably science and nothing else in God's creation. And that is because we attribute physical causes to physical phenomenon and base models on utility in being able to explain and predict data rather than conforming it to theological concerns or philosophies.

If I was reading a paper on Genetics, and suddenly the paper started to discuss how we should all feel about this and how it fits right into some previously held religious scripture of whatever source, or started to claim that this data was evidence for or against a scriptural interpretation, or “proved” or “disproved” God or some theological concept, or started waxing philosophical.... well then it would have departed the realm of science and I would skip to the next section that was discussing the data and have a great deal of suspicion overall.

175 posted on 01/09/2009 9:24:31 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: whattajoke
[ How come this news has yet to reach his homeland after all this time? ]

Jesus homeland?.. Where is that?.. Who is Jesus?.. What is Jesus?..
Large questions that interconnect.. and many sub-issues too..
Worthy of a thread all its own I would say..
You ask the right questions..

Depends on who Jesus is determines his homeland..
Who is Jesus, TO YOU?.. Then his homeland can be answered..
My answer... this and other probable, Universes and dimensions/realms..

176 posted on 01/09/2009 9:29:34 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: metmom

“So many people are in a tailspin because it was a cross burned into the kids arm.
Like it would have been a less serious offense if it had been some other symbol burned into his arm?”

As of your post 146 not one anti-evolutionist has experessed even the mildest criticism ot the teacher.

Why?


177 posted on 01/09/2009 9:31:10 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: metmom
The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.

Tell me more about how the human body, for the law to be applicable, can be considered an isolated system. Give me the modes of isolation, and the range of the properties that ensure this isolation.

178 posted on 01/09/2009 9:36:21 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

And hterefore hte actions of one idiot means all ID proponents must therefore want to introduce religion into science- Cripes- what a crock- Go back to DC where you came from- Shall we call up all the assinine secularist actions and indict ALL of secularism with a bunch of irrelevent articles too? Buh Bye- it’s apaprent you aren’t interested in any facts- but only in villifying ID any way you can! Somethign that children and not intellectually honest scientsits do- Somethign you should learn!


179 posted on 01/09/2009 9:42:25 AM PST by CottShop
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To: metmom

“You just answered your own question.
That it was a cross is what’s got people so up in arms, at least judging by all the comments here about the shape and the guys religious beliefs.

I see hardly anybody addressing the fact that it is wrong to burn people, period.”

Up ‘til now you haven’t.

Perhaps I missed it?

As for a religious symbol being more egregious than a random mark, what if it had been a star and crescent?


180 posted on 01/09/2009 9:42:50 AM PST by From many - one.
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