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Vatican condemns IVF, the Pill (Why is this so surprising alert!)
Reuters ^
| December 12, 2008
| Philip Pullella
Posted on 12/12/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom
Being pro-life can be complicated. Things may not always be what they seem at first glance, and the desire to have a child can be overwhelming.
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posted on
12/13/2008 5:17:53 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: netmilsmom
Oh I see. So if you repeat the procedure, it counts as six? Oh brother.
I have given links to the actual clinics that state their procedures. You have yet to find one that will transfer MORE THAN THREE AT ONE TIME, as you have claimed.
I'm sorry you are relying on hysterical allegations instead of clinical facts. Come back to me when you have PROVEN DOCUMENTED FACT FROM A CLINIC that they will transfer MORE THAN THREE EMPRYOS in ONE cycle. Otherwise, do not reply to me again.
To: rintense
>>Arthur Caplan, director of the Center of Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, believes that ethically, doctors must do whatever they can to prevent multiple births.
I have long argued that nobody should be putting more than four embryos into any woman because of the high risk of super multiple pregnancies which are hugely dangerous to newborns, said Caplan.
But unlike in many European countries, where the number of embryos that can be implanted in women is kept to a maximum of three, the U.S. has no such regulation, said Caplan. That makes it harder for doctors to resist parents who want as many embryos as possible implanted.<<
So now, again it’s on you. Capital letters or not, you have not given a single link where any clinic states it does not implant more than three.
I haven’t seen a link of any procedure. I’ve seen links to clinics that apparently, you have not read, or you would be able to produce the quote.
Like I said, I’m sorry you were misinformed. There is no regulation of the amount of embryos implanted in the US.
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posted on
12/13/2008 6:16:08 AM PST
by
netmilsmom
(Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
To: Running On Empty
364
posted on
12/13/2008 7:49:03 AM PST
by
Running On Empty
((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Nice way to sidestep my assertion. Going to extraordinary lengths (and IVF would certainly qualify) to fulfill a biological urge is sinful. If all you are going to do is keep arguing from a purely biological standpoint, don't bother responding to me again. You're wasting my time.
Broken record time: The article is about the Vatican's stance on the issue. If you want to take religion out of the equation, do it on another thread and in your own spare time.
365
posted on
12/13/2008 11:24:56 AM PST
by
grellis
(I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
To: grellis
366
posted on
12/13/2008 11:58:08 AM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
To: MyTwoCopperCoins
That's your right to choose. You have willingly chosen to place yourself in that position, accepting the risk that follows from removing yourself from the mad game life on this planet sets for all. Whether you will be rewarded or your genetic legacy punished, in the long run, will depend solely on whether the entity of God exists, or not.
Not true....my reward is based upon my existance...in this world...and...perhaps in the next...
Children, whether they be biological or adopted, equate to family and support....supoort both physically and emotionally....and if that should transcend this realm of existance...so be it...
I find no proof that having biological children (when compared to non-biological children) will benefit me more while I am alive....and as you might suppose from my previous posts....if this world is the end all of my personal existence...having biological children will mean little after my death since my conciseness will cease to exist to appreciate it...
Perhaps by not adding oneself into the human gene pool for future generations might degrade humanity in some minor way....but that would be of little consequence to me after I die....
BTW, from my study of anthropology....it appears that many cultures value children and family (both biological and non-biological) based on the consequences of aging....and the need for support during those years.....this might explain why western cultures do not see the need to procreate in mass....the government has become the perceived care-giver...and replaced the extended family...
Again, I find your beleifs interesting....although I do not necessarily agree with them....
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posted on
12/15/2008 5:11:51 AM PST
by
PigRigger
(Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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