Defining Natural-Born Citizen (Does it matter where Obama was born?)

Federalist ^ | Nov 18, 2008 | P.A. Madison

[muawiyah]

Lord forbid an American baby might be raised in Canada ~

[HighlyOpinionated]

Yup, and that’s what we’ve all been saying for the past two years. Finally someone listens.

[fightinJAG]

In this Supreme Court case, decided the year Obama was born, on the question of citizenship, not "natural born citizenship," the Court held:

Petitioner's mother is a native-born citizen of the United States, and his father is an Italian citizen who has never been naturalized. They were married in the United States, and their marital relationship has never been terminated. Petitioner was born in Italy in 1906, while his parents were residing there temporarily, and his mother brought him to the United States later in the same year. He has since resided continuously in the United States, and has never been naturalized.

Held: Petitioner is not a citizen of the United States. Pp. 366 U. S. 309-315.

Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961)

[pyx]

(Does it matter where Obama was born?)

Does the First Amendment of the Constitution matter ?

Does the Second Amendment of the Constitution matter ?

Are you developing an impression that I am referring to a pattern ?

[thesetruths]

simple and excellent point

[fightinJAG]

At this point, it’s important for the Supreme Court to take the Donofrio case and settle this area of the law once and for all.

There is at least enough there to state a prima facie cause of action and the issue certainly is ripe.

Whether or not Obama is found eligible in the end (and it’s still a mystery why he hasn’t put this all to rest-—he certainly could have had his birth certificate examined in chambers (not public) if he requested), the Supreme Court needs to take this opportunity to define “natural born citizen,” point out if new laws are appropriate to clarify or close loopholes, and also hold dumb NJ-type SOS’ feet to the fire.

[ken21]

it sure gives the word “illegal” another meaning:

“the illegal in the white house”

“the illegal president”

...

[thesetruths]

It’s interesting that runner-up Hillary is being touted for SOS. If SomeOne is disqualified, and Biden and Pelosi stepped aside, the Queen would then ascend to the throne.

[fightinJAG]

I think you misunderstand the point of my comment.

I’m saying there is a lot of focus on where Obama was born as that fact pertains to his citizenship.

However, the Federalist has developed an argument that says it doesn’t matter WHERE Obama was born, he could never be a “natural born citizen” because his father was not an American citizen.

IOW, if that argument were accepted by the Supreme Court, it wouldn’t make a difference whether Obama was born in Hawaii or in Kenya. He would still not be a “natural born citizen.”

[fightinJAG]

Please see # 10.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2137253/posts?page=10#10

[calenel]

"A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father."

While the early laws specified gender of the parent (father) through whom a child receives citizenship that was changed over time to be gender free. At the time of 0's birth either parent might be the one through whom the child acquires citizenship at birth. Only a combination of location of birth (Kenya, or at least, outside the US and its territories), residency requirements on the citizen parent (Obama's Mama, who failed to meet them), and alien status of the other parent (BHO Sr.) will effectively disqualify 0, based on the 1952 statute.

[television is just wrong]

he is NOT a citizen of this country. He is ineligible to run for president, and the DNC is covering it up. His grandmother said she was present at his birth in Kenya.

He was then taken by his mother and step father to Indonesia and adopted by that stepfather put in Muslim school and later flew to Pakistan which at that time, AMERICANS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY.

OBAMA IS A FRAUD.

[fightinJAG]

It’s impossible to think about all this without seeing the ‘Toons somehow in the mix.

However, President Biden and Vice President Pelosi would never step aside (voluntarily). But since Biden isn’t in the best of health, who knows, may end up with President Pelosi. THEN, uh-huh, I could really see Hillary swooping in for the take-over.

Can you imagine Vice President Pelosi?

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap. However, if you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off. First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website. Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No. He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes. Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised. Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.
Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego Finally to verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18.. They are the same.


Be sure to download the recording as well. The chances of it remaining online for long are remote.

If you have the skills to post it on Utube...please do.

The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons from the Arnold camp sent up a couple years back about changing the law--they went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5

[Think free or die]

These threads have been very interesting. I was born in the US at a time when my parents were here as legal residents (green card). They were eligible for naturalization the following year, and have been naturalized citizens ever since. Until reading these threads, it would never have occurred to me that I might be ineligible to serve as President, but perhaps I wouldn’t be considered a natural-born citizen either. Until now, I never realized there was a distinction drawn in these matters.

[thesetruths]

I thought pyx got it, and was just saying if we ignore the part of the Constitution that stipulates eligibility, what goes next? Free speech? Guns?

[magritte]

Actually, Hillary is 4th in line...Robert Byrd as President Pro Tempore is 3rd...imagine the Irony of that...magritte

[thesetruths]

Can you imagine Vice President Pelosi?

I can't imagine anything Pelosi!

[fightinJAG]

This is what needs to be sorted out by the Supreme Court. That and many, many other issues surrounding this controversy.

We have never had a candidate with a controverted citizenship status actually win the presidential election. So that makes it especially imperative for the Supreme Court to take this case NOW and get the law settled, regardless of how it turns out for Obama.

Also just to point out: your comments go to attaining citizenship. That (at least it is argued) is something different from being a “natural born citizen.”