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Social Conservatives as Scapegoats
The American Spectator ^ | November 17, 2008 | G. Tracy Mehan III

Posted on 11/17/2008 5:43:42 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative

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To: brushcop
There are so many ways that Sarah far outshines MEN, much less women, she’s incredible. No, I don’t worship her but I darn sure will join the vast number of like-minded conservatives in supporting her for whatever prosition she wishes to run for. Go SARACUDA!

If you are a conservative, why would you support a pro-amnesty Republican like her? Amnesty will add millions of Democrats to the roll and we will end up with Democrat landslides that rival Reagan's landslides.
21 posted on 11/17/2008 6:17:17 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: EyeGuy

Yes, their complaints are so nebulous. EXACTLY which positions don’t the critics of “Social Conservatives” like?

Social Conservative is code for anti-abortion.


22 posted on 11/17/2008 6:18:36 AM PST by DManA
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To: xzins; Cboldt; P-Marlowe
His theme as near as I can recall: “earmarks” and “the other guy’s gonna raise your taxes.”

Yep and what he failed to realize is that the average voter doesn't really care about "earmarks" (and without a line-item veto there's not a whole lot a president can do about them if he wants a budget) and he never understood how to counter Obama on taxes.

This past election campaign McCain did NOT talk about: Life, Abortion, Guns, God, Marriage, Israel, personal responsibility, self-defense, our obligation to our troops, crime, treason, JUDGES, Scotus.

And that probably cost him the election because it meant that Obama never had to talk about them either and Obama knew that the average voter would never side with him on these issues.

23 posted on 11/17/2008 6:23:25 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mr. Blonde
They blame social conservatism because the Republicans lost running on it.

Are we talking about the same election? Because the last time I remember a GOP presidential nominee running an a platform that paid anything more that lip service to social conservatism was in 1984.

Sarah Palin was talking about these issues, but McCain certainly wasn't.

24 posted on 11/17/2008 6:26:37 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DManA
-- Social Conservative is code for anti-abortion. --

That, and traditional marriage (viewing homosexuality as aberrant and abnormal behavior); loose divorce; out-of-wedlock childbirth; etc. See too, end-of-life and the view in general that life is a sacred gift.

Then there is the educational component, to teach liberty, to despise democracy and favor a republican form of government. To recognize that government is a necessary evil, and should be kept small. The Republicans are just as keen on micromanaging the economy as the DEMs are. The differences between the parties are more a matter of style and degree, than of principle.

I'd even throw in the avoiding of foreign entanglements, to the "social conservative" bucket.

25 posted on 11/17/2008 6:26:56 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Republicans have clearly dropped the ball on economic issues and they now spend money like drunken sailors.

PLEASE....As a drunken sailor of vast experience, I resent being compared with these vile Congress Critters. At least I was spending my own money, not the taxpayers!

26 posted on 11/17/2008 6:31:49 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Cboldt

I defy the folks who decry the Social Conservatives’ influence on the party to come out and argue AGAINST any of those position. They don’t have the guts.


27 posted on 11/17/2008 6:33:15 AM PST by DManA
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To: St. Louis Conservative; EyeGuy; xzins; SumProVita; ClearCase_guy; brushcop; Sir Francis Dashwood; ..
Mr. Blonde: I think these wrap-ups of the election are only partially right.

What these election wraps tell me is that no-way, no-how did the ass-whipping in 2006 and 2008 create consensus on the right.

Each sub-group within the right is still convinced that "the other guys" are the problem.

And there is plenty of smug ITYS attitude among Rinos/CINOs and conservapurists to keep us in the Marxist wilderness permanently.

Useful idiots the lot of us.

28 posted on 11/17/2008 6:33:36 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe; Mr. Blonde

Not once did McCain invest energy in issues important to social conservatives.


29 posted on 11/17/2008 6:34:14 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: sam_paine

Consider me a useful idiot. I don’t care.

The republicans and their recent campaign make me sick.


30 posted on 11/17/2008 6:35:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: wmfights; xzins
We need fighters who can keep their eye on the finish line. The opportunity to reform the party has never been better. The question is how.

Spend a few minutes reading up on what happened to the Whigs in the 1850s and the answer becomes fairly clear.

The Whigs couldn't agree on slavery (which, but for the slaughter of 50 million babies, would be the most critical social issue in American history), so the anti-slavery social conservatives left and formed the GOP. Within a few years the Whigs had disappeared and the GOP became the dominant party for decades.

31 posted on 11/17/2008 6:36:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xzins
Not once did McCain invest energy in issues important to social conservatives.

Which shows that he really didn't care about any of these issues. Even Mitt knew how to fake it.

32 posted on 11/17/2008 6:38:21 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; wmfights

I agree. Social conservatives should seriously consider leaving the GOP.


33 posted on 11/17/2008 6:38:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins
There comes a time when a man recognizes he’s not welcome at certain gatherings. He stops attending.

OR the man transforms the gatherings and those that don't make him feel comfortable go to the corners, or leave.

The Pubs have tried the mushy, emotional, middle and found that the moderates are not worth having as allies. Now is the time to take back control and push conservative Republican ideas ie., LIFE, LIBERTY and the opportunity to PURSUE HAPPINESS.

The Pubs need to be reminded that the GOP thrives in states with growing economies. The states that fit this description are right to work states. IOW, don't help your enemy destroy you, don't bailout GM & Ford.

Also, the Pubs thrive among married couples with children. The grass roots organizing and promotion of state amendments supporting marriage should be intensified as well as abortion laws and tax benefits to being married and having children.

34 posted on 11/17/2008 6:39:55 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I’m not so sure she is pro-amnesty rather than not bucking McCain. She will need to rethink that argument. I’m a S. Texan, born and raised on the border (Brownsville), I have never supported amnesty in any form, our sensible and more than fair immigration laws must be enforced and adhered to.

If you know of a politician that has made amnesty his bedrock issue let me know, they’re all running scared. I would love to see ANY ONE of them come to S. Texas and stand up and say to them “NO AMNESTY!!” before several thousand jeering Mexican flag waving Hispanics as I have seen, I want to see that. Just once.

I go back to border law enforcement, working around other local, state and federal agencies since ‘73, now I’m in Central Texas after retiring working in the court system. With our defendants, if they are illegal aliens (there’s that “racist” label again...), we put INS holds on them and the INS does their duty and transports them for deportation. The system works if it is used.

The Ramos and Compean and the Edwards County (Texas) deputy cases are an injustice that will never be rectified properly, clearly, we have lost it all at this point. It will be long after 2024 or so before we start seeing some turn around and at my age, I wish you the best, fight for my seven granddaughters after I’m gone okay?


35 posted on 11/17/2008 6:40:57 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: sam_paine

Operation Chaos II:

All GOP elected officials join the DNC, all Republicans register as Democrats.

Imagine the ensuing chaos in the drive-by media!


36 posted on 11/17/2008 6:41:03 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: sam_paine

A very successful party needs only ONE plank in its platform: Rein in government.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 6:41:21 AM PST by DManA
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To: xzins
I agree. Social conservatives should seriously consider leaving the GOP.

Operation Chaos II: Imagine the ensuing chaos in the drive-by media!

38 posted on 11/17/2008 6:42:36 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: xzins
-- Consider me a useful idiot. --

I've graduated to being a useless one! There is plenty to do to make an honest living, teach the young, worship, and live life to God's fullest intention - while at the same time shunning politicians who don't measure up.

Some decent people somehow get past the GOP's filter, and run for office as Republicans. I support those with time, money and my vote. OTOH, I've written off the GOP and RNC as organizations.

39 posted on 11/17/2008 6:42:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: DManA
A very successful party needs only ONE plank in its platform: Rein in government.

True in 1980. Now, when the size of govt has reached a tipping point to become a Democratic contituency? Not so much.

40 posted on 11/17/2008 6:43:46 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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