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Camille Paglia: Obama surfs through - Yes, I still like Sarah Palin!
Salon ^ | November 12, 2008 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 11/11/2008 9:52:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
[Article] I had thought for many months that the flap over Obama's birth certificate was a tempest in a teapot. But simple questions about the certificate were never resolved to my satisfaction. Thanks to their own blathering, fanatical overkill, of course, the right-wing challenges to the birth certificate never gained traction.

I have to disagree with Paglia and give her a rap on this one. It was not "overkill" by conservative radio commentators that determined whether they "gained traction" -- it was a firewall erected by the MSM against charges and questions raised about anything by people on the right.

Eventually, it will seep into Camille Paglia's consciousness the degree to which "serious journalism" in fact refuses even to look at certain issues, out of strategic concern for their own pet issues and politicians.

21 posted on 11/12/2008 3:08:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Not Our Kind Dear : typically a favored phrase of the old WASP hierarchy regarding people a bit lower on the social register with whom it wasn’t worth associating.


22 posted on 11/12/2008 3:37:53 AM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Miss Paglia understands Gov Palin better than most Republicans and some *ahem* conservatives.


23 posted on 11/12/2008 4:19:05 AM PST by jla (Sarah - True heir of Reagan conservatism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His personal gifts and power of persuasion????? This broad is nuts. Try ACORN, illegal graft, corruption, bribery, and a willing Leftist Media who would gladly take it in the a** if it meant electing a Jew-hating Chi-town street thug multi-racial Magic Negro so they could assuage their own white guilt!


24 posted on 11/12/2008 4:55:58 AM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I found the third sane feminist, Lady Lynn.

Think we can find 4 or possibly 5?


25 posted on 11/12/2008 4:56:54 AM PST by redk
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Rush tells the story of being seated next to Paglia at some dinner (the hosts hoping for Fireworks).. they got on Famously!

Thanks for tying this together. I knew I had heard the name before.

26 posted on 11/12/2008 6:00:29 AM PST by littlehouse36 ( "No one can be at the same time be a sincere Catholic and a true socialist." -- Pope Pius XI)
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To: redk
I found the third sane feminist, Lady Lynn.

The anonymous site owner at hillaryis44.org has been sanely blogging about Obama for two years.

27 posted on 11/12/2008 6:09:29 AM PST by littlehouse36 ( "No one can be at the same time be a sincere Catholic and a true socialist." -- Pope Pius XI)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She is not an idealogue—that’s what separates her from every other lib. And, she’s got guts.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 6:30:22 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: abigkahuna

She’s no phony and doesn’t suffer them gladly.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 8:23:43 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Camille tells the Ozombies to take a reality check!

Sounds like she is sensing something bad, very bad:

"I deeply admire Obama, but as a voter I don't like feeling gamed or played."

30 posted on 11/12/2008 8:39:01 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Always enjoy reading her stuff.


31 posted on 11/12/2008 9:26:50 AM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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bump


32 posted on 11/12/2008 10:32:30 AM PST by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: TexasCajun

Exactly!


33 posted on 11/12/2008 10:43:17 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I have to disagree with Paglia and give her a rap on this one. It was not "overkill" by conservative radio commentators that determined whether they "gained traction" -- it was a firewall erected by the MSM against charges and questions raised about anything by people on the right.

Certainly the media covered for Obama, but Paglia is not a reporter. She's a teacher, a writer, a columnist, and an openly partisan Democrat.

 I agree with her take on "blathering, fanatical overkill" by the "right-wing" with regard to the birth certificate issue. An insistent case should have been made that, given his exotic childhood, and the contradictions and holes in his published memoir, the public had the right to see the original long-form birth certificate, just as McCain had produced his. Instead, thanks to many on the internet, it devolved into loud, unsourced accusations that he was born in Kenya, based on nothing more than some laughable writing and a photoshopped graphic in the notoriously unprofessional African press. Throw in some bogus graphics analysis on the digital cert, self-promoting opportunists such as Philip Berg and Andy Martin, and various other nonsense, and it turned into a three-ring circus in a fever swamp that credible journalists, bloggers and talk show hosts refused to touch.

34 posted on 11/13/2008 6:34:26 AM PST by browardchad
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To: garbanzo
Thanks for clearing that up. I'd heard of that expression ..... also given by Paul Fussell, I think, in Class, as "U" and "Non-U" ("Us" and "Not-Us"). But I didn't know the abbreviation. Thanx.
35 posted on 11/14/2008 5:40:31 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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... Instead, thanks to many on the internet, it devolved into loud, unsourced accusations that he was born in Kenya....

Unsourced? His grandmother's mouth isn't a source? That raises the delicate epistemic question, "If Lee Harvey Oswald shoots Jack Kennedy dead, but The New York Times refuses to run the story, did Jack Kennedy really die?"

I played these "sourcing" games with my cousin for a couple of years. She refused to believe a Canadian divine was on trial for harming homosexuals by preaching Leviticus from his pulpit, and that said divine was in possible peril of imprisonment for his preaching hatefulness. She refused to credit anything that appeared on a church-related or ministry-supported website, as if their opinions must obviously be as suspect as the pus running from a leper's open sores. It was years before she reluctantly accepted a link to a regional Canadian daily in the town where the trial was even then being held, and yes, prison was a possibility. The minsterial webpage had neither misinformed nor disinformed, and it had done no worse than to present its own POV -- something that my kinswoman was quite ready to overlook in the pages of The New York Times or The Nation, but which rendered material offered by the Right instantly Unclean, and contaminated.

I haven't let her forget that.

Throw in some bogus graphics analysis on the digital cert, self-promoting opportunists such as Philip Berg and Andy Martin, and various other nonsense, and it turned into a three-ring circus in a fever swamp that credible journalists, bloggers and talk show hosts refused to touch.

Oh, bull. They should so have "touched" it. They should have investigated it all very thoroughly, condemned any shoddy journalism or fraud attempts, and very thoroughly laid out the truth of the matter -- verified documents in hand, or documents to contradict the claims of those claiming to have documents.

We've been through all this before. It wasn't the Right that offered bogus docs in 2004, it was Dan Rather and CBS.

He's still in court on that one.

36 posted on 11/14/2008 6:13:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
OTOH, that expression of Fussell's might have been "PLU" = "People Like Us".
37 posted on 11/14/2008 6:29:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

lentulus —

Frankly, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Facts, and truth, are our friends. “Should,” “would” and “could” are our defeat.


38 posted on 11/15/2008 1:52:14 PM PST by browardchad
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Frankly, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Well, then that's on you. You, and whoever taught you reading skills back in the second grade.

Facts, and truth, are our friends. “Should,” “would” and “could” are our defeat.

Seeing that the GOP has just been defeated, maybe trying something else and acting like we mean it might work better for us.

Later, dude.

39 posted on 11/16/2008 2:20:39 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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