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Hurricane Ike Live Thread IV
NOAA/NHC ^ | 14 September 2008 | NOAA/NHC

Posted on 09/12/2008 11:29:13 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: CindyDawg

Even in September and May, it can still be pretty hot but you’re right, I don’t remember ever suffering. I guess we had our minds on other things back then :-)

In the house, we had two window units. We usually only ran the one at night on the east side of the house that cooled the bedrooms. I don’t remember many times having them both going.


3,421 posted on 09/17/2008 6:54:17 AM PDT by texasredtop
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

From the overheads, you see two main debris vectors.

The main one, heavy construction debris, timbers, walls, sections of roof, down to bits and pieces, runs generally northwest. Specifically between 45 degrees and 63.5 degrees clockwise from the main road through Gilchrist. 290.1 through 310.3 degrees magnetic when transferred to a map.

Most failures were a product of surge damage, rather than wind. You see this because there’s a direct correlation between damage levels and elevation, the higher a location was above sea level, the lesser the damage to structures. It can go the other way, if the winds are strong enough and did from time to time in this storm, but the primary failure mode was from surge.

That indicates to me that the Gilchrist structures failed early in the storm, as the eyewall approached and pushed enough wave and water action ashore to exceed design and material limits.

Later in the storm, or after the storm it’s difficult to tell, you see the other main debris vector, fill transport. The sand was pushed southeast and left easily definable trails as that happened. Could have been the rear eyewall as the storm moved ashore, or if could have been up to days after the storm as surge impounded against the shore was released to course back over the barrier islands to the sea.

It’s an assumption, but a defensible one, that people were hunkered down in shelters and didn’t leave until the ocean ripped open ther structure and forced exit, IF anyone was still there by that time. Historical accounts cover this pretty well. Since the secondary debris vector involves small particulates, generally, and the primary debris vector holds true for larger and heavier debris, I expect to find any concentrations of bodies northwest of the damage areas, specifically on the shore east of Smith Point and south of Robinson Lake.

I also suspect the Robinson Gas Plant sustained heavy damage to a pipeline, storage facility or wellhead, and produced the “oil” slick visible in many of the images. That may still be leaking.


3,422 posted on 09/17/2008 6:55:32 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: y'all
Cattlemen pull together to save livestock stranded by Ike


3,423 posted on 09/17/2008 6:56:14 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: RikaStrom

I’ll sure do it and let ya know.


3,424 posted on 09/17/2008 7:08:37 AM PDT by DrewsMum (I'm hopin and wishin and prayin and freepin.....)
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To: Uncle Ike

bump for later


3,425 posted on 09/17/2008 7:09:18 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Sometimes I sets and thinks, and sometimes I jus' sets.........)
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To: jeffers

http://www.caller.com/news/2008/sep/16/tales_of_survival/

BOLIVAR PENINSULA — Many years from now, a small group of Hurricane Ike survivors probably still will be telling the story of how, on the night the storm flattened their island, they took sanctuary in a church — with a lion.

The full-grown lion was from a local zoo, and the owner was trying to drive to safety with the animal when he saw cars and trucks stranded in the rising floodwaters. He knew he and the lion were in trouble.

He headed for the church and was met by a group of residents who helped the lion wade inside, where they locked it in a sanctuary as the storm raged. The water crept up to their waists, and two-by-fours came floating through broken windows. But the lion was as calm as a kitten.

When daylight came, everyone was alive.

“They worked pretty well together, actually,” said the lion’s owner, Michael Ray Kujawa. “When you have to swim, the lion doesn’t care about eating nobody.”

Amid the destruction in places like Bolivar Peninsula and Galveston, where row upon row of houses were scoured from the landscape, seemingly impossible tales of survival have begun emerge. Whether through faith or fate, luck or resourcefulness, dozens of people who stayed behind made it out alive, and have harrowing stories to prove it.

As of Tuesday, the official death toll from Ike stood at 47. Only 17 were in Texas — and many of those were people killed by fires or generator fumes after the storm had passed. However, authorities held out the possibility that some victims were washed out to sea.

Among those who made it out alive was Kathi Norton, who put on a life jacket as the storm closed in on High Island, on the Bolivar Peninsula. She and her husband, Paul, knew the dangers of staying, and put their important documents, credit cards, money and cell phones into a plastic bag, and held on tight.

All too quickly, the floodwaters rose and the house started to break apart. Through the gaps, they saw refrigerators, lawn mowers and hot tubs floating past. The deck broke away next. Then the roof started to buckle.

“The whole floor was just opened out,” he said. Norton grabbed his wife and headed for an outdoor staircase, escaping in time only because a flagpole kept the house from crashing down for a few precious seconds. “I look up, the house is coming on us,” he said.

For hours, they sloshed around in 4-foot waves before finding themselves perched in a tree. They finally made their way onto someone’s motor home, which then started to sink. They were able to cling to rafters of a nearby structure and hang on until daybreak.

“We had to grab that staircase and float wherever it took us,” the 68-year-old retiree said.

Willis Turner decided to ride it out on his wooden boat next to his house on Crystal Beach, also on Bolivar Peninsula, but it nearly capsized and he was saved by a rope his wife tossed to him. The two held on inside a home that she said “vibrated like a guitar string.”

“It was like an atomic bomb going off. Right after the eye passed, whole houses came by us at 30 miles an hour — WHOLE HOUSES! — just floating right past,” Turner said. “It was unreal. Unreal.”

Turner and his wife awoke the next day to an island they no longer recognized. The first four rows of houses on the beach were washed into the sea. There were no more restaurants, no more gas stations, no more grocery stores. The neighborhood was gone.

In Galveston, Charlene Warner, 52, weathered the storm with her landlord and a neighbor in the apartment above her own.

“It felt like an earthquake — the rumbling and the rocking of the building,” she said, smoking outside a shelter in San Antonio. “Everyone was praying.”

“It was so terrible. All I could say was, ‘Lord, please don’t kill me. Forgive me for what I done,”’ Warner said, as a tear rolled down her cheek.

After the storm, she and neighbors waited for rescue, but no one came. The water receded, leaving a layer of muck filled with snakes. But with no water, no electricity and a shrinking supply of food, Warner decided to go for help, sliding her way across the goo a block and a half to the fire station.

Firefighters took her and neighbors to a spot where they could get on an evacuation bus. She arrived at a shelter in San Antonio with her purse stuffed full of personal documents and cigarettes, and one spare outfit that she washed and drip-dried on a railing Tuesday.

“I lost everything. What you see with me is all I have,” she said. “I never seen anything like that in my life. I’ll never ride out another storm.”

Cheryl Stanley said she and her husband, Tom, wanted to evacuate their Galveston apartment before the hurricane hit but couldn’t. Their son, Casey, has cerebral palsy, and the three live on the third floor. When they tried to leave, the elevators were turned off, and they couldn’t carry Casey down the stairs.

“It was horrible,” Cheryl said. “The building was shaking all night.”

A few hours into the storm, Casey said he didn’t feel safe in the bedroom, so they moved him to the living room. About three hours later, the ceiling in his bedroom collapsed.

“Thank God, we got Casey out of there,” his mother said.

After the storm passed, paramedics carried Casey downstairs. And neighbors carried the wheelchair.

At the Baptist church on Bolivar Island where the lion spent the night, Richard Jones, a shrimper, said he wasn’t afraid of the beast.

“That little old fella is just as tame as a kitten,” Jones said.

After the storm passed, the lion’s caretakers fed it pork roast to keep it happy.


3,426 posted on 09/17/2008 7:12:18 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-McCain/Palin 08)
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To: All
The Fearsome Unknown

The city of Galveston and Galveston County simply must develop a better system for aiding evacuees, residents who are hanging onto hope by a thread.

In the last few days, we have received scores of e-mails and calls from evacuees. They want to know the fate of loved ones they cannot find. They want to know if they have a home to return to. They want to know if their businesses survived.

That state of limbo — dealing with the fearsome unknown — is the worst part of the experience for many.

The people of Galveston, through their city council, have given Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas enormous emergency powers during the Hurricane Ike crisis. In many ways, she has handled that power admirably. However, the city is stumbling badly in its obligation to provide full, accurate and timely information.

Mayor Thomas has the power to help alleviate the problem, and she has so far failed to recognize even that there is a problem.

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3,427 posted on 09/17/2008 7:12:36 AM PDT by LA Woman3 (Sarahcuda!!)
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To: txflake

I have relatives in RedRock (nearby?)

names Meno & Stull


3,428 posted on 09/17/2008 7:17:46 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: DrewsMum; mylife

Yea, Rumor has it I have power on my street. The doggy and I are heading home.

Think positive thoughts for us, we are leaving San Antonio and should be home in a 2ish, if we have power we’ll check in.

Be safe.

RS and The Psycho Dog


3,429 posted on 09/17/2008 7:18:28 AM PDT by RikaStrom (Inwood North - near Montgomery and West Gulf Bank)
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To: stlnative

Thank you SO much for your photos. We have a family beach house on S Jacks Rd, 1st beach house on the right side at the beach entrance (Sea Shore). The Joy Sands motel is on the corner at 87. I’ve been unsuccessful in finding pictures of that area. Is there anyone who could help me or post some of that area? I spent 6 hrs looking on Google Earth with no luck!! HELP please! My prayers are with all the Bolivar folks.


3,430 posted on 09/17/2008 7:40:45 AM PDT by beachprincess
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To: RikaStrom

Have a safe trip home and I’m praying you have good results upon your return.


3,431 posted on 09/17/2008 7:40:48 AM PDT by texasredtop
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To: beachprincess

Go back to google earth and bring up Galveston- then go here:

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2008/09/googlenoaa_release_posthurricane_ik.html

Click on “Hurricane Ike Google Earth overlay”

..then you can type in the addresses you’re looking for and see what’s there now.


3,432 posted on 09/17/2008 7:54:40 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-McCain/Palin 08)
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To: RikaStrom

Be safe.

Prayers for ya.


3,433 posted on 09/17/2008 7:57:26 AM PDT by DrewsMum (I'm hopin and wishin and prayin and freepin.....)
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To: texasredtop

I would add there are a good number of tormented folks who are anxious to know whether their loved ones survived. Their stress is palpable, and understandable.


3,434 posted on 09/17/2008 8:00:18 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: RikaStrom

Safe travels en route home. Please check in again when you can.


3,435 posted on 09/17/2008 8:01:29 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: NautiNurse

I agree and yes it is understandable but listening to the news over and over and from that predicting thousands dead is a bit out of whack. While it may be so, the media is only speculating from the most negative angle they can find. The authorities are doing the best they can down there. Unless we want more injuries and death, they need to proceed with the utmost of caution in searches.

That is the price people pay for staying, ALL coastal people know that if they’ve lived in the area more than a month. It’s a lot of territory to cover and if people are just sitting and worrying, they need to volunteer to help those in need instead of hounding and bashing the officials for answers that are not there yet. The media is doing enough negative output now to cover the entire population.

It only delays the efforts for unncessary parties to be down there or constantly telling them how they would do it. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes, they’ve had a tough few days and a lot more to come. I doubt anyone will ever handle similar situations well enough to please even 10% of the population.

Doom spreads fast and those with delicate emotional stability could go over the edge. I’m just saying that we know nothing much yet so why assume the end of the island and the surrounding areas? I saw the same with Katrina. My sisters called me hysterical in the aftermath sobbing that NOLA was gone forever. Everyone said it was the end. Not even close. I just find the doom and gloom to be wasted time and energy. It is what it is and we will know soon enough.


3,436 posted on 09/17/2008 8:18:01 AM PDT by texasredtop
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To: arkady_renko
Tonight I was paddling to the post office

Yowser! Amazing story. Good to hear the river has crested. Sorry to hear about your camera. Hang in there.

3,437 posted on 09/17/2008 8:33:15 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: arkady_renko

You are gutsy ... glad to hear
you’re weathering the challenges.
I thought the water would be
down yesterday. Have been
surprised by the continuing
problems.

Hang in there, and stay safe.


3,438 posted on 09/17/2008 8:50:01 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: NautiNurse

Is there really a tiger loose on Bolivar?


3,439 posted on 09/17/2008 9:29:42 AM PDT by ichabod1 (It's all fun and games until Russia starts invading Eastern Europe (pete))
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To: beachprincess

I have located the area you are asking about on the street map. I’ll see now if I can locate the exact noaa damage image for that area.

Since the area is Crystal Beach you may try looking on this website also.

Most of the pictures here are of the Crystal Beach area.

http://www.jakeabby.com/cb/


3,440 posted on 09/17/2008 9:38:11 AM PDT by stlnative (HurraMcCain Palin will continue to build strength as it travels across the USA over the next 60 days)
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