Posted on 09/07/2008 8:37:37 AM PDT by NautiNurse
Your local reports from the Lower Keys are much appreciated. We’re all hoping Ike continues a wide berth around the Keys.
this is the only place to find facts without the media or political hype
sounds just right for FR
Thanks for all of your good work, NautiNurse
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I don’t know, nor would I go along with a Nazi
comparison, but common sense tells me (as did
reports from friends, and the blinks from a cop
I knewe to be solid) that there were bodies,
many bodies.
The Gestapo tactics do sound way over the moon,
granted.
She may have hurt her credibility on a truthful
experience by being known as a kook for her
other themes. Roy Howard’s name seems to
only link to her article.
That being said, I was way away from Ground Zero
and other decimated areas out in the country
for a couple of weeks, and just don’t know all
the details of what could’ve happened to those
poor folks in the IMMEDIATE aftermath, in the
areas of Homestead and near Homestead proper,
east of US#1 in the farmland labor camps, and
Florida City, where there were more labor camps.
Hundreds and hundreds, probably thousands lived
in those camps at that time, in skimpy, rundown
mobile homes, row after row after row of them.
~~~~
A Way of Life in Ruins At Wind-Swept Camp
No one is certain how many people lived in the
Everglades Migrant Camp before Hurricane Andrew
struck. Once an orderly grid of trailer homes and
squat concrete houses, the sprawling, now badly
broken camp in Florida City, about 30 miles south
of downtown Miami, is the kind of place where
destruction was so great that people cannot even
agree on how many died there.
~~~~~
Once the military was in and order was better, and
the roads were fairly safe for driving, probably a
good 2-3 wks. I was able to maneuver my way on
a pretty safe path to my former home to start
salvaging and get basic supplies at relief
centers and food stations for my friends and I
...I did that every day for a few months, along
with salvaging at another friend’s home.
What’s undeniable was the result of the massive
govt. negligence in preps leading up to the
storm and vital help right afterward in the face
of this obviously identified monster killer,
Cat. 5 cane... for an inhumane period of time.
It’s sickening to believe it could be an option,
but I do not know what trying to gloss over or
maybe conceal such a huge and abyssmal boondoggle,
IF that could have occurred, would look like in
subsequent real life events at the time, especially
if it caused considerable loss of life, (as so many
of us who live thru and endured the aftermath of
Andrew believe).
Some details in that article are truly horrendous,
but knowing what I lived through, my friends lived
through, and the absolute terror and near anarchy,
plus a couple of days of utter anarchy in those
days, I just can’t say what is possible.
~~~~
FEMA learned from Hurricane Andrew in 1992
The response to Andrew was affected by the sheer size of the storm and the fact that it hit a more densely populated area. Charley caused $7.4 billion in insured damage, destroyed about 12,000 homes and left 19,000 others with major damage. Andrew destroyed 126,000 homes, left 180,000 ((it was more)) people homeless and caused $30 billion in damage.
It took four days for FEMA to get its first people into South Florida after Andrew. In the same time after Charley, disaster workers had finished search-and-rescue operations and were focused on getting residents necessities like food and water.
Comfort stations were in place to provide air-conditioned tents and showers. Three temporary emergency rooms were open in less than 24 hours. Law enforcement officers directed traffic at intersections where signals were out. FEMA even had a team of 35 veterinarians on the ground quicker than it could get anyone into South Florida after Andrew.
“From Andrew, we learned a lot of lessons,” said Justo Hernandez, deputy federal coordinating officer for FEMA. “Andrew taught us that we have to move faster, move into areas quicker and hit the ground running.”
An in-house study prepared by FEMA after Andrew was scathing. It said the agency skipped preparations for the hurricane by taking a wait-and-see approach. It then responded with confusion. Agency officials also thought they lacked authority to respond immediately.
I just don’t understand all the bad mouthing about FEMA. They are not a first responder organization. It is up to the state and county to respond first in an emergency. Every body hollers about too much federal intrusion on peoples every day lives yet they expect the feds to be the first one there to hold their hand in an emergency. I know it sounds harsh but everyone in those labor camps did so mostly illegaly and of their own free will. That’s why evacuation orders are issued or warnings posted, they chose to stay, they chose poorly.
That's terrible news.
I was just speaking with a friend over dinner tonight about how fortunate we are to be Americans...
Remember most of the NOLA police force escaped/went AWOL/turned rogue during Katrina.
New Orleans was probably the only city on the Gulf Coast that could expect to have that happen.
Apparently, Hanna triggered a mudslide the other day, where ~500 people perished in Haiti.
Oh, absolutely. Don’t get me started as to what I think authorities in charge during Katrina should have been charged with. I can’t think of any time local government totaly failed its resposibilities to their citizens.
OK .. so I get your train of thought. So be it.
You had to be there.
The state and local sectors are included in the
word: government.
The warnings, the preps, FEMA, state, local govts,
blessed relief orgs .. none of it was what it is
today. Thank God.
They all learned on Andrew, a Cat. 5.
Re the labor camps: the subject was how many people
died in Andrew, and might that # be in dispute.
And this is from FEMA’s own in-house review:
“An in-house study prepared by FEMA after Andrew was scathing. It said the agency skipped preparations for the hurricane by taking a wait-and-see approach. It then responded with confusion. Agency officials also thought they lacked authority to respond immediately.”
Sorry for the diversion, NN.
There will be no more.
That convective burst creating that thrown-off stuff means Ike plans to intensify like quick.
Fuel.
I’ve said Texas before it was fashionable. That’s the destination, don’t know if it may wobble to get there.
wow, that is quite a shift left since I last looked. will they remain there or shift to the east before landfall.
It sure is. BAMM is in Mexico.
The eye is back over the water,,,heading due west(21.8?N)...
That GFDL model coming up thru Kenedy County would be great.
Only cows would be inconvenienced, and centex would be drenched out of our horrible drought.
My spidey-sense is saying maybe a Brownsville storm the way models are rapidy moving South?
Those projected tracks are not needed here in Texas but at least we know what to expect. Thanks for the informative thread. ;o)
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