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Radical Muslim Funding US Creationist Groups?
littlegreenfootballs ^ | Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:11:19 pm PDT

Posted on 07/11/2008 2:58:10 AM PDT by pending

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To: jmc813
If there is no God then there are no inalienable rights.

Without God we are nothing more than animals (like Darwinists teach) and the only law is the law of the jungle, "the survival of the fittest."

Without God, there can be no objective standard of morality, only competing man-made immoralities mixed up in a relativist morass.

41 posted on 07/11/2008 12:53:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Citizen Blade
Do you believe that makind is endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights?

Yes or No?

42 posted on 07/11/2008 12:56:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I believe the correct quote is by their Creator
43 posted on 07/11/2008 1:01:25 PM PDT by StevieJ
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do you believe that makind is endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights?

I don't believe in a Creator, but I do believe we are endowed with inalienable rights due to our status as thinking, sentient beings.

44 posted on 07/11/2008 1:01:44 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: Citizen Blade
So the answer is no you do not believe in what America was founded upon.

You believe in something else entirely, which this nation was not founded on.

45 posted on 07/11/2008 1:07:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So the answer is no you do not believe in what America was founded upon.

No, that is not my answer- you are stating what you want me to believe, not what I actually believe. I agree that we are endowed with inalienable rights, I just don't believe in the existence of a creator.

Your argument seems to be that it is impossible to be a good American unless one is a Christian. That is utter nonsense.

46 posted on 07/11/2008 1:10:57 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: Citizen Blade
I am stating what America was founded upon. You either believe or you don't, and you don't.

You can believe whatever you want but this country was founded upon the idea that rights are inalienable because they come from God. You don't believe that, so you don't believe in America. Period.

47 posted on 07/11/2008 1:14:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am stating what America was founded upon. You either believe or you don't, and you don't.

A distinction without a difference. We get to the same place, just through different paths. You're just trying to lawyer this to death- we both agree that humans have inalienable rights.

You can believe whatever you want but this country was founded upon the idea that rights are inalienable because they come from God.

Okay. And so?

You don't believe that, so you don't believe in America. Period.

You're going in circles. I've already told you that I believe we have certain inalienable rights. Where is our disagreement regarding the principles of America's foundation? You seem to want me to disagree with you on America's founding political philosophy, but we're really on the same page.

48 posted on 07/11/2008 1:23:23 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This thread is stupid.


49 posted on 07/11/2008 1:26:04 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Citizen Blade
No we're not. There are no such thing as rights endowed by "our status as thinking, sentient beings" and such an idea is not in any way what America was founded upon.

The only rights which really exist are rights which come from God. This nation was founded on the idea that rights come from God, not from "our status as thinking, sentient beings." You don't believe that rights come from God, so you don't believe in what America was founded upon. It's just that simple.

50 posted on 07/11/2008 1:28:27 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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No we're not. There are no such thing as rights endowed by "our status as thinking, sentient beings" and such an idea is not in any way what America was founded upon.

If you say so. I guess you're determined to try and split hairs between our positions on this issue.

You don't believe that rights come from God, so you don't believe in what America was founded upon. It's just that simple.

If you say so, whatever works for you. I'll just keep on believing in America's founding principles, whether you like it or not.

51 posted on 07/11/2008 1:39:39 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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No slitting hairs at all. I believe in what was written in the Declaration of Independence and you don’t. Feel free to have whatever delusions you want about what America was founded upon. I’ll continue to live over here in reality with all the people who can read what the Declaration of Independence actually says.


52 posted on 07/11/2008 1:42:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jmc813; Coyoteman

Or is a “plant biologist” a biologist who has been covertly planted into the department.

I would suspect that any biologist in a professional setting who refutes the basic mechanics of adaptation and change that is the heart of evolution and defers to the static, shallow assertions of creationism or ID, is in fact a “plant biologist”.


53 posted on 07/11/2008 1:57:16 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: awake-n-angry
I would suspect that any biologist in a professional setting who refutes the basic mechanics of adaptation and change that is the heart of evolution and defers to the static, shallow assertions of creationism or ID, is in fact a “plant biologist”.

No, he believes in evolution. He also believes in God. He just thinks the people on these threads, regardless of the side they're on are for the most part jackasses. Myself, as a total layman tend to agree with him.

54 posted on 07/11/2008 2:03:52 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Coyoteman

The theory is a hypothesis with no evidence. It is not science. It is fiction.


55 posted on 07/12/2008 6:21:18 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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To: jmc813

“No, he believes in evolution. He also believes in God. He just thinks the people on these threads, regardless of the side they’re on are for the most part jackasses. Myself, as a total layman tend to agree with him.”

No bigotry here. You just insulted everybody.


56 posted on 07/12/2008 6:23:14 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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To: RoadTest
The theory is a hypothesis with no evidence. It is not science. It is fiction.

Sorry, that is not the case.

I happen to know something about it; I spent six years in grad school and half of that time was spent studying evolution, human races, osteology, primatology and a lot of closely related subjects. I have actually handled most of the important fossils (as casts), and studied many of the rest from the original journal articles. That is evidence I was dealing with. Since then the field of genetics has added a lot more confirming evidence.

For you to claim that this field is not science but fiction says a great deal about your knowledge of the field, or more likely about your a priori beliefs, than it does about the theory of evolution.


Belief gets in the way of learning.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973


57 posted on 07/12/2008 9:07:31 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

“Belief gets in the way of learning.”

It sure does.

They did a very good brainwashing job on you!


58 posted on 07/13/2008 4:48:39 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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