Posted on 06/27/2008 8:34:13 AM PDT by wintertime
Who said it was okay? Are you drunk?
Huh. Yet another butthead statement by you. I suppose homeschooling qualifies you to judge this girl's mental state and condemn her to hell....
We can certainly agree that it's a horrible thing. But to make this a home-schooling vs. public school issue helps to cement my bad opinion of you.
Please give the number of the post where I condemned her to hell, or judged her mental state. You will not be able to do this because I didn't.
How can I defend a strawman of **your** creation?
We can certainly agree that it's a horrible thing.
I do agree.
But to make this a home-schooling vs. public school issue helps to cement my bad opinion of you.<./i>
No homeschooler in the district will ever be **forced** by the government to sit next to this girl in class. So...yes, this is a homeschool issue.
Pity the poor parent and child who can not afford to privately or home school. The government has the police power to **force** this child to associate with this girl when she returns to school.
We have a First Amendment Right to free assembly except if a child is **compelled ** under the threat of armed police action to attend government temples of immorality ( aka: government "schools"). Then the government can trample all of a parent and child's rights and compel them to "assemble" with someone who stuffs toilet paper down and newborn's throat and drowns him in a toilet.
Wow! Aren't government schools wonderful for trashing our First Amendment Right to free assembly?
Huh. Yet another butthead statement by you.
This sentence says much more about you than it does me.
Also,....The editorialist who may pick up in the idea that government violates our human right to free assembly in our government temples of immorality ( "schools") will likely not think it is a "butthead" idea.
I was responding to the poster who said if she were aware of her ability to anonymously bring the baby to a hospital or police station she might have done so. I pointed out that this was not the case, since she could not have remained anonymous leaving the school with a baby, and she had willfully concealed the entire pregnancy with oversized clothing. I was not rationalizing anything.
I would think that labor pains for a 7 pound boy would be rather noticeable — possibly even noteworthy. How sick did she have to be for someone to notice?
(We had a grown woman show up with a “bladder infection.” My nurse diagnosed her immediately. Without touching her stomach.)
At least on Free Republic. Personal experiences probably do vary in RL where people are less informed as to the benefits of home schooling and lack the knowledge that all responsible parents make sure that their kids 'socialize' in an appropriate way and with families of like-minded beliefs, regardless of their schooling experiences.
Just an observation....I'm sure I'm going to hear many tales of how this is asked in RL, and I don't doubt it, but it isn't asked here.
Stuff like this is going to happen in a bi-polar society though.
This girl had a bowel movement — that is where her head was at, in terms of the significance of what was going on at the time, with giving birth to that baby in that bathroom. Whether she was afraid of getting in trouble is only speculation. Babies are not real life people to many teens who have been numbed by media influences and lack of parental involvement.
Parents not noticing their young teens getting fatter, wearing bigger clothes? How about what they’re doing on MySpace? What they’re watching on TV? Who they’re hanging out with? Who they’re dating? Whether they’re drinking? Piece of cake for most children these days, with how distracted their parents are — busy with their careers, keeping food on the table (single, divorced parents trying to make ends meet), etc.
Birth control messages from school officials only confuses them more. Peer pressure and the desire to belong or to fit in makes the girls vulnerable to respond to the first boy who pays them ANY mind at all. To get naked with a boy you barely know and to let him stick his penis inside you just boggles my mind — at how so many young girls are willing to go through this, who have NO sense of self-respect at ALL — who are so disconnected in every way from what it means to be HUMAN and of value.
Anyway — that’s my blunt soapbox for the day on this story. I need to get back to my own four little ones who need me more than what I can possibly do for this lost little soul who stuffed toilet paper down her baby’s throat and murdered him. It DOES make me more commmited than ever, to make sure I’m guiding and loving and instructing and teaching my children in the ways of God, and in the right and wrong beliefs I have myself from the Bible.
As my dear, precious friend just reminded me of today — yes, it is true that the “truth will set you free”. But the reality is that only the APPLICATION of God’s word and our love for Him truly sets us free.
The only people who use the “s” word (socialization of homeschooled children) are NON-homeschooling parents.
It’s a stupid word, in the context we are asked about constantly. Non-homeschooling parents ask me about this nearly every single day, when they find out we homeschool. I’ve come up with some very clever and amusing answers, which leave them with many things to think about.
We as parents have let society and the government define relationships and socialization to the point of insanity.
But do you see that word used on FR by non-home schooling parents? I have only seen it one time by someone who didn’t home school. I get that you probably do hear it in RL, but I was referring to Free Republic, where, when it is used, it is used by a home schooler.
(one of the posters had said something compassionate, and I thanked him)
Oh.. sorry. (sheepish grin)
Yeah, but what about girls like the one who gave birth in the bathroom and returned to the prom?
Your whole attitude positively drips it -- and this not by any means the first time your attitude has piqued my ire. You're a judgmental, ridiculous, and narrow-minded prig for whom any bad thing is somehow tied to whether or not the kid is homeschooled.
I worked in an ER for years. The docs liked to say “ok...what do I have” and we would give our opinion. Most of the time we nailed it. They hated it when we would say something like “ I don’t what I’m seeing but something doesn’t seem right though” Spooked um.
The younger mothers are in complete denial, to the point of not seeming sane to the rest of us. I’m astonished that anyone could be in labor, go through the stages of pushing — hours long for most first time mothers — and keep it a secret while in public — unless they were also denying the pain and other sensations.
Again, pregnancy and labor don’t imbue any wisdom on their own.
I may be too ready to justify, but I don’t quite believe the WND tabloid style of reporting what the prosecutor says.
It’s funny that no one mentions the placenta — where and when was it delivered?
How about her parents, friends, teachers, etc.etc.
I learned the hard way - and it took too many lessons - to listen to the people who saw the patient in the waiting room and triage. From the first day, though I knew that whenever I disagreed with a nurse, I’d better make sure that I and everyone else knew my reasoning and sometimes did the procedure myself.
I’ve seen one “easy” labor. Even she flushed pink and gasped every so often and couldn’t stay still, although she just seemed to just sigh most of the time with the contractions.
I have the hardest time imagining the end stage of a 14 year old first time mother in full view of a nurse, teachers, and classmates, but no one caught on that something pretty big was happening.
I find this odd that this phrase is used as a poke or a jab, yet it is only used by home schoolers.
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It is not at all odd to a homeschooling mom....and...those who were homeschooling in the early years find it least odd of all. Since I first started homeschooling,in the mid to late 80s, I believe that I have been asked, “What about socialization?” possibly **hundreds** of times.
A variant of “What about socialization?” is seen here on FR. It is not uncommon for an occasional government school defender to say that they they chose government schooling so that their child could experience the “Real World”.
Geeze! Is killing your baby with toilet paper and drowning the “real world” that I want for my kids? What sort of “socialization” would that be? I don't think so! And....I don't want the government violating my First Amendment Rights by **forcing ** my child ( by threat of police action) into association with a girl like this.
It is likely that this very disturbed and murderous girl will find her way back into regular government schools. Some poor child will be forced by the government to sit next to her.
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