Posted on 06/24/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
thanks enosh - I knew a freeper would come through
thanks enosh - I knew a freeper would come through
Yes, I do. Although baptists are not known for their high levels of intelligence or morality.
This happened in TX, not UT. Besides, everybody knows UT has been handing out fake driver's licenses to illegal aliens for decades. That makes every document they issue highly suspect anywhere else.
You guys will learn someday that UT is not the center of the universe.
This happened in TX, not UT. Besides, everybody knows UT has been handing out fake driver's licenses to illegal aliens for decades. That makes every document they issue highly suspect anywhere else.
You guys will learn someday that UT is not the center of the universe.
My ignorant spouting last night has shown me wrong, again.
Thank God, for forgiveness! I don't have to keep track. He has the list, and is checking it twice. But, for the umbrella of His Blood, I would be destined for Hell...
always the charmer
always the charmer
revised with no comma, to clarify thought!
Thank you so much for saying it twice. I will assume that you agree with me 100% since you said it twice.
Willie Jessop himself would be banned for making that claim ~ and he's been on here several times defending his position (regarding child rape).
Quite entertaining if not enlightening.
Frankly, when they banned the color red they stepped off the planet thereby severing all their historic or theological connections with anything here.
I thought their “legal name” had something to do with “the Trust”. Besides, no legal action is being brought against the church at all. The Trust owns the YFZ ranch (which I call “the camp”).
Really, but some definitions, all religions can be considered a type of cult, so what makes one group labeled a cult versus, say, a sect.
The definition I would like to use is: a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader..
I know one will say that all religions are considered 'false or unorthodox' by another. I think the key points here are it is labeled false or unorthodox by the religious mantle it falls under, such as the Branch Dividians being considered false by the Christian Church. The other points are 'extremist and living outside a conventional society'. This part is very tough to put a judgment on because you have cases like the Amish who live outside conventional society but I doubt anyone would consider them a cult. This is because they don't meet the first criteria that they are considered false or unorthodox by the religious mantle they fall under. Extreme? Another tough one to judge because it is a relative term. "Under the direction of a charismatic leader", this is the one that I think sets a cult apart from others. In this case, do you have a charismatic leader who becomes a Deity symbol and encourages followers to shun society, laws, and tenants of the religious mantle. The leader becomes more important than the faith.
With that said, all religions can be 'cults' before they become established. 'Cult' is a term that is relative to the society they live in. So, let's go back and look at FLDS.
Do they have false or unorthodox beliefs as defined by the mantle religion they claim?- Check.
Are they considered extremist by conventional society standards?- Check
Do they live outside conventional society?- Check
Do they have charismatic leader(s) who become a Deity figure and/or replace the moral structure of society or the mantle religion?- Check.
So, here is the rub. IS being a cult a crime? Heck no. It is what they do under the name of that cult that determines if they are criminal or not, just like with any group.
If we want to keep going, I think we should take this to a religion thread to keep the mods at bay. This is a news thread after all.
The Catholic Church claims, of course, that through Apostolic Succession they are, in fact, that same First Century Church.
Obviously both churches claim the same origin, with the same people, in the same period of time. However, the DofC is NOT the RC, nor the RC the DofC.
They are different (and the only differences they have are pretty much Ecclesiastical and not Theological).
Jim Jones was a problem who bit the DofC in the bu++. No one in his right mind claims that Jim Jones bit the RCs.
We have a similar situation here. LDS, except that it has members in Utah and Arizona, has no relationship to F(lds).
End of story. Warren Jeffs and his funny little friends are not an LDS problem (beyond the normal concern of Christians of all stripes for the well being of the victims).
JR: Whine, whine, whine. Boo hoo. Why am I not allowed to bash Mormons on Free Republic? Sob, sob, sob.
OMM: baptists are not known for their high levels of intelligence or morality.
thank for provong my point, OMM
sorry for the double posts, fr is buggy this am
[If the 16-year-old wanted an Abortion shed be considered competent to get one, without anybody asking if the father of the child, or her friends, or her family, were coercing her.]
So are you suggesting she get an abortion as well as be raped by old codgers?
[If the 16-year-old wanted an Abortion shed be considered competent to get one, without anybody asking if the father of the child, or her friends, or her family, were coercing her.]
So are you suggesting she get an abortion as well as be raped by old codgers?
Ironic, ain’t it...
Sorry, that's just not true.
Well, she's proved herself to be at least a 2-Act lawyer. First, when she represented Pamela Jeffs and now while representing Teresa Jeffs.
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