Posted on 06/11/2008 4:05:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
Before anyone exercises their "righteous anger at what the Schiavo groupies say happened in this case I suggest you read the links and timelines in the link. You will be impressed that the judicial system worked in this State just as "we the people" decreed it should.
News flash! Contrary to popular belief among those who despised Terri Schiavo, she was not a piece of property. She had a right to live, even according to Floriida’s constitution. That right was not up for a vote. It was Terri’s right, regardless of your opinion of her, and your obsession with spreading that opinion like manure.
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My personal experiences with The Orlando “Slantinel” and it’s coverage of local issues, tell me that it is a leftist rag.
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I’ve been in Orlando for 30+ years ,, this rag has always been nicknamed the Slantinel and for good reason... thankfully they are losing readership and advertising dollars at a furious pace ... the scam where they provided free papers to almost 100,000 hotel rooms daily to boost their circulation numbers (and therefore ad rates) was caught onto and discontinued about a year ago.
Funny how these leftist rags hide their own problems ,, they pumped chemicals (primarily TCE) into the groundwater through a secret well in their basement for decades... but they have expunged all mention of it from any Orlando Sentinel online data...
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Your support of forced dehydration and starvation and the resulting "dignity" is disturbingly macabre.
Lisa MacPherson experienced the same "euphoric" treatment as Terri Schiavo.
I have no obsession with Terri Schiavo, I have a desire to see that others are not subjected to the same tortuous death that she was. You, on the other hand, do seem obsessed with justifying her inhumane treatment and murder.
Further to my obsession with things Terri Schiavo and with victims the death crews are lining up for the next killing, like Lauren Richardson, I just pondered how the candidates stack up these days. With Grouchy and Karl remaining of the Marx brothers and Harpy gone, who else might there be as an antidote?
The name, Bob Barr, comes up. Hmmm, how did that happen? I stumbled across an interesting interview. Problem is I would rather hear fingernails scratching on a blackboard than suffer through any interview by John Lofton, but found the tail end of this twenty two minute clip quite telling. It is why we must persevere with our "obsession".
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In other words, Bob Barr is just another example of how liberal the libertarians actually are. When you really chip away at what libertarians stand for, what you see at the core is anarchy.
If anything Terri's Legacy has done, it has galvanized clearly and has erased equivocation. Either people swallow happily or unwittingly the propaganda of the media or they see through it. Nothing remains inbetween and even John Lofton showed that. Arggghhhh, I can't stand listening to Lofton!
I really didn’t expect you to understand the difference between right and wrong. My comments were for the benefit of those with brains and morals. Your vacuous posts just provided an avenue for me to get the truth out to those willing and able to see the truth. There aren’t many of you trolls left.
I can’t help but wonder about if the people who supported the way the Florida Supreme Court botched Terri’s case also supported them when they tried to throw the 2000 election to Algore.
No. This is entirely an issue of the state. Private citizens do not have these powers. Personal wishes have nothing to do with it.
Ignorance of the nature of the state has led Conservatives to lose control of Congress and Republicans to what appears to be a massive loss in this fall's coming election.
The Legislature recognizes that for some the administration of life-prolonging medical procedures may result in only a precarious and burdensome existence. In order to ensure that the rights and intentions of a person may be respected even after he or she is no longer able to participate actively in decisions concerning himself or herself, and to encourage communication among such patient, his or her family, and his or her physician, the Legislature declares that the laws of this state recognize the right of a competent adult to make an advance directive instructing his or her physician to provide, withhold, or withdraw life-prolonging procedures, or to designate another to make the treatment decision for him or her in the event that such person should become incapacitated and unable to personally direct his or her medical care. § 765.102(3), Florida Statutes.
Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?
Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri. As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.
Rather than make the decision himself(which he could have done thereby negating all the idiocy that followed), Michael followed a procedure permitted(key word being "permitted",...not "required") by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures.
Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case. The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence supporting those views. Afterwords, the trial court determined that, even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.
I notice that your pro-murder blog fails to address the trial de novo that was NEVER held. I guess that doesn’t agree with your liberaltarian pro-death mindset. Given 8mmMauser’s revealing post #28 I can certainly see why you would support a non-conservative for POTUS.
And if, as you claim, killing Terri was so popular than why didn’t Charlie Crist brag about his role in killing her when he ran for governor?
What a fantasy world you live in. None of that is anywhere close to the truth. Lies roll off your tongue so easily.
Terri did not have an advance directive.
Michael did not have the legal authority to kill Terri. He did not forfeit that nonexistent right and voluntarily petition the court to exercise his rights for him. The court did not have the legal authority to become Terri’s surrogate. That is expressly forbidden by law. The court did rule that Terri would want to be deprived of her rights and tortured to death, and that the clear and convincing requirement had been met. The evidence did not support such a ruling. All of the witnesses on Terri’s side provided clear and convincing evidence that she was a pro-life Catholic who opposed killing and being killed. Even Michael testified that she wanted to live for the next fifty years being taken care of by him. How does that translate into a desire to be tortured to death?
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I think it was Twain who said “it’s not what people don’t know that make them ignorant it’s what they know that ain’t so.”
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