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China Earthquake: Exodus Begins From Sichuan
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-14-2008 | Richard Spencer

Posted on 05/14/2008 4:29:09 PM PDT by blam

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To: TigersEye
Do you want to know how paranoid the Chinese government is? Remember the downing of the U.S. surveillance aircraft early in the Bush administration? Like many FReepers I was suggesting some very harsh "measures" at the time. I had a free version of Zone Alarm that scanned for port probes also. Within minutes I started getting a huge volume of port probes. Zone Alarm allowed you to trace them at that time. They were all coming from Asian servers. Normally I would get one or two a day from U.S. universities. I was getting one every few minutes after posting my "suggestions."

When you worry about what a retired carpenter in the Rocky Mountains is saying about your country halfway around the world you've got some real psychological problems.

Interesting. But how would they get your IP? That would be kind of freaky if they were sitting on your or FR's subnet with a packet sniffer.
201 posted on 05/15/2008 3:06:19 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: hebe

Please answer the question. How many of the last 200 years has Taiwan been under the direct political control of Beijing?

200 years ago, the United States were a colony of Great Britain. We are not going to go back to being a part of the United Kingdom because of history from centuries ago.

Why should Taiwan go back under the boot heel of Beijing because of history from centuries ago?


202 posted on 05/15/2008 3:39:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: John Leland 1789
我现在中国上海!
203 posted on 05/15/2008 4:04:02 AM PDT by hebe (hebe)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Actually,it seems that many people are unconscioused about the history.They don not konw the real fact:TaiWan was a apart of China long long ago.


204 posted on 05/15/2008 4:20:45 AM PDT by wardendancer (wardendancer)
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To: ketsu

it’s really a good opportunity to communicate with everyone here on FR
i wanna to restate that i am not work for the chinese gov.
i have my post here just for the purpose of enhancing the exchange between china and usa
and i come here to thank everyone for caring the people in earthquake
and for the political problems about Taiwan and Tibet, i think we can get answer from history, not someone’s mouth...


205 posted on 05/15/2008 4:20:46 AM PDT by charles kwok
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To: hebe
是吗?! 我以前对你写错了. 我是住在中国上海的美国人. 请问, 用汉字怎么写"hehe"? 不好意思, 我问你, 你是男的还是女的? 四川省的情况真可怜! 我很理解你和些美国人不同的意思. 请你饶恕我的同国人, 用耐心回答他们混乱的话.
206 posted on 05/15/2008 4:35:28 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: charles kwok
Hi Charles,
The problem with communicating with someone in China, is that the internet is not free in your country. If you say the wrong thing, and criticize your government, you might be put into a prison.

Then, you might find that a rich businessman (from China or from abroad) needs your kidneys, liver or heart more than you do. On that day, after your DNA match, you will be taken out and shot like a cow or a pig, to have your organs “harvested.”

So you see, it is difficult to have an honest and free discussion, when one person lives under that threat from his government.....if he says the wrong words.

207 posted on 05/15/2008 4:36:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: John Leland 1789
你是美国人?你的中文很好! 我是女生,我老家在四川,正是地震的地方,hehe----呵呵! 他们不在中国,所以不理解中国的情况,西方媒体的报道,对我们中国,真的很不公平,一个礼仪之邦居然会被误会成恶棍! 所以我非常的生气,但是我的英语不好,所以写不出太多谴责的话。 我只是希望多些人为我的同胞祈祷,这次的事情充分的体现了中国人是多么的团结,大家有的捐钱,有的捐血!! 不管怎么说,很感激你能明白和理解中国。
208 posted on 05/15/2008 4:42:53 AM PDT by hebe (hebe)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for that post about the Internet situation in China. I’m in Shanghai. If a Chinese is reading Free Republic, I doubt that they are merely trying to argumentative or defensive in their posts. They probably have a real interest in what is happening on these pages. I am trying to make personal contact with one such.


209 posted on 05/15/2008 4:42:56 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: hebe

China Organ Harvesting Report, in 19 Languages

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://chinaview.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/organ-harvesting-wang_bin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2006/07/&h=449&w=300&sz=49&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=vu1N3ospfKkFsM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3DChnese%2Bpolitical%2Bprisnoer%2Bshot%2Borgans%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG


210 posted on 05/15/2008 4:49:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

what’s this?


211 posted on 05/15/2008 4:55:20 AM PDT by hebe (hebe)
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To: txflake

I haven’t read the whole thread- but that thought has been crossing my mind. This disaster is ongoing and will require enormous resources and mobilization of the PRC. Dams are giving way and I’m wondering what shape the nuclear facilities (in the region) are in...

How are they going to hold the Olympics in three short months?


212 posted on 05/15/2008 4:59:54 AM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Travis McGee
For how many of the past 200 years has Taiwan been under the direct political control of Beijing?

Probably for about as many years as "Aztlan" has been under the direct political control of Mexico City.

213 posted on 05/15/2008 7:06:11 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: hebe

Can you see the link posted above at #210? In a free country, you would be able to go to that website and read some articles about what is happening in China that your government doesn’t want you to see.

In a dictatorship, a tyranny, you will probably not be allowed to go to that website. And if you do somehow manage to go to that website, the Chinese secret police will probably put you down as a dissident.

And if that happens....you might be tossed into prison, and wind up having your organs “harvested” by your own government’s doctors, to put into a rich businessman in return for a large money payment.

Of course, if you don’t believe me, just go to that forbidden website and read the articles for yourself.

But if you can’t go to that website, it is because your own government does not trust you to know the truth.


215 posted on 05/15/2008 7:52:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: DuncanWaring

Probably.


216 posted on 05/15/2008 7:52:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: John Leland 1789

Let me know if you can open this independent website with China news.

http://chinaview.wordpress.com/


217 posted on 05/15/2008 7:56:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: All
I am new here and a chinese,too.I used the search tool and found this thread.After reading this,I think I'd better copy the words I said just before in another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2016206/posts?page=17
"I'm chinese,too.After several days here in only a few threads,I found it's difficult to speak freely here.Any good words about Chinese gov. would mark you as a spy or Pla or some "ChiCom propaganda"——a word I even dont know until I use the translation software.It's funny and boring.
What someone here want to hear is that we all hate the gov. and we are suffering in hell in china.Anything else would be regarded as lie.It's hard to communicate with such pertinacious bias.
Funny that it's very same as in some Chinese forum.If anyone of here can read Chinese,you can go to www.tianya.cn(which have more than 20,000,000 registered users and usually 200,000 online),or some other big forum. The reason why so many chinese come here is only because some thread with your link about the quake appeared on such forum.So it's not strange to have some curious ones here.I really see some threads posted by other country which also draw not only welcome but also suspicion.Just like here."
"you know what,most of us are like you while some of us are also rude and unkind.haha,I'm familiar with that in our forum ,so I dont really mind what I see here and I can understand it. In the forum I mentioned before and more others,you can find tons of threads complaining the Chinese gov. and dark side of society,all posted by common folks.We do have freedom of speech,unless you are too radical even to make chaos and hurt society safety."

And above all,I learn a new word "zotted" here in this thread.I take it's meaning is Banned,am I right?haha,Do you call this freedom of speech?I always think you can accept everything,like the one said"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it". ^ ^

218 posted on 05/15/2008 8:06:16 AM PDT by adcycn
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To: adcycn
And above all,I learn a new word "zotted" here in this thread.I take it's meaning is Banned,am I right?haha,Do you call this freedom of speech?

No, it's freedom of association. As in, we have no desire to associate with PLA/ChiCom propagandists.

219 posted on 05/15/2008 10:14:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ketsu
Interesting. But how would they get your IP? That would be kind of freaky if they were sitting on your or FR's subnet with a packet sniffer.

I don't know enough about computers to tell you. I'm just a point-and-clicker. All I know is that within 30 - 40 minutes of posting some hyperbolic "glass parking lot" type challenges I was being port scanned like crazy and they traced back to Taiwan, Hong Kong and mainland China. What should/would I make of that?

220 posted on 05/15/2008 10:37:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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