John McCain and War

National Review Online ^ | February 04, 2008, 5:00 p.m. | Andrew C. McCarthy

[wolfcreek]

The Constitution and sovereignty are pass`e in their view.

http://www.cephasministry.com/nwo_CFR_apostles.html

[LadyNavyVet]

“We don’t need a Baghdad strategy; we need a global war strategy — or, at the very least, a regional one. Victory is not an Iraqi “democracy”; it is an America safe from Islamic terror.”

Preach it, Brother Andrew, Amen!

[MBB1984]

The truth will set you free. John McCain is most certainly a leftist. Anyone who who led the fight for McCain Feigngold, led McCain Kennedy and abandonment of American sovereignty, led the fight on the Senate floor against the Marriage Amendment, Supports Embryonic Stem cell research, called leaders of the religious right “agents of intolerance”, Orchestrated the Gang of Fourteen, said that America practiced “torture” in Iraq, wants to close down GITMO and give terrorists ACLU trials, supports the myth of global warming, rallies against “greedy Wall Street”, votes against tax cuts, said John Kerry was not weak on defense, said Hillary Clinton would make a “fine President” said Obama was “absolutely qualified” to be President, said Alito “wore conservatism on his sleeve” and who is scheduled to speak to leftist bigots at the La Raza conference, is a leftist.

Either you have not studied McCain or your beliefs are so far left you are unable to recognize the leftist nature of McCain.

[Just A Nobody]

He doesnt' need Carnegie's gang.

He has his own International Republican Institute.

Combined with the Republican Mainstreet Partnership
and his Soros funded Reform Institute
and the working group in the senate to undermine anything they don't like, the Senate Centrist Coalition,
McCain has the ability to destroy all his opponents. Just look what he has managed to accomplish against President Bush.

[lexusppd]

"Thank you, Oh 4-Day Wonder."

Let's see if I have this right. On the FR forum the time you have been registered to post adds to the weight of your opinion? So, according to you if a person of many years experience within the Party and a of Conservative credentials that you would approve of, if you were aware of them, joins the forum under the name Joe Blow, what he has to say is not credible or worthy of discussion by virtue of the fact he only joined a few days ago?

Excuse me, but are you aware of how totally incomprehensible and mind bogglingly (if there is such a word)clueless this makes you look?

As I mentioned in another post, I have been a visitor to FR for many years and as is my habit I prefer to observe before I make the decision to join. I have noticed this forum has markedly changed over the past 18 months or so and the change is not for the good, IMO. The level of discussion has gone from informed give and take (with a few but not many exceptions) to a close minded sort in which the people who consider themselves "real conservatives" have basically shut the door on anyone who doesn't support their positions 100%.

I have seen members booted because they supported John McCain rather then allow either of the 2 liberals to win in Nov. This attempt to stifle opinion does the forum no good whatsoever and actually makes it look like some of the far left forums which similarly prohibit truly free expression. Allowing someone to voice their support for a candidate not your own choice does not in any way hurt your candidates chances of winning nor does the forum booting the individual increase the chances of what you consider the "real" Conservative of winning.

The Democrats are famous for allowing no dissent within the Party and they do this because they KNOW how weak their positions are and how easily they can be shot down when exposed to probing questions. It appears this is what has happened on this forum. If that is the way Robinson wants it then that's fine since it is his forum and he can make his own rules. However I think it not unreasonable to have a message on the home page stating what will be tolerated and what will not. There is a message of this kind presently on the registration page but it does not mention anything about speaking out for a candidate who is a Republican but just not Republican enough for many here.

This forum has gone and will continue to go from what I consider to be the best Conservative forum on the web to merely one of many who demand strict adherence to an unmentioned set of rules, the enforcement of which are left up to a few mods whose decision to boot a member may be determined by the morning mood they are in.

I liken the election to a war. I would love to have Patton as my commanding general but if I simply could not I would take someone of somewhat lesser caliber rather then toss in the towel and concede defeat to an enemy. In this case an enemy who could very well damage the Nation beyond repair, at least for the next many years.

[lexusppd]

I like Apple Juice. Why do you ask?

[Just A Nobody]

Indeed, in 1999, against the tide of conservative (and much other sensible) opposition, he tried to push the Clinton administration into a ground war in Kosovo, despite the absence of any vital American interests. He thought it would enhance our image in the world to show solidarity with Muslims — never mind that these Muslims included anti-Western fundamentalists.

John McCain armed Kosovo Islamic terrorists
"Even in 1998 when we had problems with Milosevic, McCain did everything that we asked of him to the benefit of the Albanian people, including arming the KLA"

The Albanians collected one million dollars for the presidential campaign of this senator.

...the first thing McCain said to him when he entered the hotel in Manhatten on January 22: "Joe, I saw your people in Michigan, and in South Carolina and in New Hampshire", from which this lobbyist deduced that all Americans of Albanian background will be voting for the senator from Arizona.

...the Albanian American Civic League awarded him the "Balkan Award for Peace" a year and a half ago, and the initiative was the proposed Senate resolution - which McCain wrote - in which thanks is extended to the Albanians for "saving all the Jews who lived in Albania or who sought shelter there during the Nazi Holocaust".

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Let's see if I have this right. On the FR forum the time you have been registered to post adds to the weight of your opinion? yak yak yak *snip*

Briefer, better response: yes, when the poster in question hasn't even blessed us all with his peerless wisdom for one entire week yet, and still (still!) feels perfectly comfortable lecturing older, smarter and (bet on it, muffin) almost assuredly wiser conservatives as to what's what, and who's who.

You're welcome.

[lexusppd]

"Your post is typical of a McCainiac and has no merit to a conservative."

And your closed minded attitude is what will ultimately make the Conservative movement no different from the far left moon bats we all laugh at on a daily basis. rather then impugn my credibilty why not just state your opposition to McCain and the reason why you feel either of the Democrats would be BETTER in the WH and we can discuss it? The attitude of you and your ilk is both childish and non productive.

[lexusppd]

Like I said. Yours is a totally incomprehensible statement and cannot be supported by any clear thinking individual.

You have again used as the crux of your inane argument, the fact that no matter my experience or back round my time registered makes my thoughts and opinions unworthy of consideration and in fact makes them a prime target for an attack. You also seem to be the sort who, when an all to obvious flaw is pointed out in their argument or reasoning, will stick to it because to admit a mistake is just not something you can live with.

Short enough?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Yours is a totally incomprehensible statement and cannot be supported by any clear thinking individual.

Overruled, as prosecution has not yet demonstrated either competency or (in their own case) relevance.

Feh. You bore me, moppet. Dismissed.

[lexusppd]

Very well, you win. I must say, digesting your responses to my contention of your complete and total illogical positions has left me to believe I could engage a door knob and it would return responses more indicative of a higher thought process then what we have seen from you.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

digesting your responses to my contention of your complete and total illogical positions

Such ruinously awful sentence structure and grammar... from one so supremely self-adoring as all of that!

*snort*

Kid: you're fluffing it up too damned much. Yank out whatever it is you've got lodged in your southernmost portion, and try again.

[Yosemitest]

McCain will NOT change!!!
Any thought you have about pushing McCain to the right is childish at best.

You can take that Sorry Old Bonehead ... McCain and stuff him up your .... well.

[TigersEye]

Gay conservative Democrat Camille Paglia ... once described McCain as "positively bulging with protofascist impulses".

LOL She has a way with words. Very accurate too which is not so funny.

Remind you of anyone?

A less criminal less honest Hillary Clinton. Yes, I said less honest than H. Clinton.
By a large margin IMO.

It is not saying much to say that someone is less of a criminal than Bill and Hill though.

[TigersEye]

Perhaps you haven't really researched McCain and don't know what we're in for if he becomes the President. I know you won't find much, if any, of this in the MSM.

McCain is this.

[lexusppd]

My thoughts on the election are as follows.

Today, in this time and place in our Nations trek through history we are faced with, I believe, the greatest threat we have ever faced in this struggle against the savages, who have freely admitted they want us all dead and will kill us if they get the chance. During the cold war we faced annihilation from the Soviet Union as they did from us. But the enemy then did not want to commit suicide to beat us so we had what we referred to as MAD or mutually assured destruction. Neither was likely to pull the trigger since it all but insured they would die also.

The Muzzies fanatics and the likes of Ahmadinajad would consider it an honor to die if they could take us and Israel with them. They believe heaven awaits them if they carry out the Korans edict to “kill the Infidels”

We know from past experience the savages cannot be negotiated with nor can they be trusted as far as they can be thrown. They understand one thing and one thing alone and that is crushing force. I believe that John McCain will, if it becomes necessary apply this force and I further believe neither of the other 2 will do so in as timely a manner as would be required. I also believe that simply having a man like McCain in the WH would serve as a deterrent to the crazies.

All the things we find to be shortcomings in McCain are of no consequence if we are dead. Survival is the thing most important at this time and the most important job of the president is the security of the Nation and safety of her citizens. John McCain is better equipped to carry this mission out then either of the other two.

I am a rabid right to life individual and am totally against creating a life simply to kill it for the stem cells. I am also against subsidizing in anyway illegal immigrants but all of these issues pale before the national security one and it is this issue , IMO that is the most important one today. Were this another time and the threat of the fanatics mitigated I would be inclined to agree that a strong message be sent to the leadership to get back to where they belong ideologically speaking.

Now is not that time.

[calcowgirl]

...no matter my experience or back round ...

Since you seem to think it deserves consideration, please enlighten us and share your résumé.

[lexusppd]

To lay out my resume here would be to identify me and frankly my identity is none of your business, Further I really don't care whether you choose to consider my input as valuable or not. I am merely trying to add to the discourse and yours or anyone else's refusal to accept for discussion my thoughts reflects back on you (and them) and not at all in a favorable way.

[TigersEye]

I believe that John McCain will, if it becomes necessary apply this force ...

And I believe in the Tooth Fairy. Unfortunately there is more objective evidence for my belief than yours.