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Sunspots and a possible new ice age (updated)
American Thinker ^ | April 22, 2008 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 04/23/2008 8:44:43 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: colorado tanker

“I don’t know. It wasn’t that long ago Earth emerged from the Little Ice Age. It seems soon to go back into a cold cycle. But, the last decade has seen slight cooling and if the sunspot fits . . . .”

One theory is that we are still in the Little Ice Age, and this recent warming is just another of the intermittent warming periods, which the graph in #12 also seems to show.


41 posted on 04/23/2008 10:33:10 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

The Little Ice Age is still with us:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=94b7d021-c5da-4e82-b37f-53d338709fb1


42 posted on 04/23/2008 10:38:25 AM PDT by Will88
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To: neverdem
Solar Cycle 24 http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/f10.gif
43 posted on 04/23/2008 10:40:31 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: qam1
Feel free to discuss data quality issues; I won't participate in that discussion, but it is probably possible to disparage data quality in multiple ways.

But if you want to know why March is ranked the way it is, this is why:

Are the anomalies real? Ask the snow:

Take Your Pick with the March 2008 Temperatures

"March snow cover extent on the Eurasian Continent was the lowest on record."

Great blog discussion on that thread, too. IHIAB.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 10:42:27 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: neverdem

In fact the current sunspot, 23 Apr. 08, has the polarity of Cycle 23. We’re still waiting on Cycle 24.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 10:47:34 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Will88
One theory is that we are still in the Little Ice Age, and this recent warming is just another of the intermittent warming periods, which the graph in #12 also seems to show.

Interesting.

46 posted on 04/23/2008 10:50:07 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: Will88
Global warming and almost worshiping the environment is the religion for many of these people. They need it and they won’t give it up, no matter the evidence that refutes their religious beliefs. Man just has to be responsible for global warming (which is gradually being replaced by “climate change”).

.... and those who lives by the sword die by the sword. I just don't want to die because someone else is terminally "StewPid".
47 posted on 04/23/2008 11:31:52 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: jongaltsr
My question is - Why did nobody mention this on the news?

Isn't it obvious? Sunspot scientists are in the back pocket of big oil, therefore, their findings are not worthy of mention. Besides, big media has already hitched itself to algore. /sarcasm

Besides, powerful corporations like GE stand to make billions convincing us that Global Warming is real so we will all go out and buy new fridges, AC's, and other "green" appliances we don't need.

48 posted on 04/23/2008 11:33:39 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: PsyOp

..... stupid question. Obvious answer - at least to those of us who don’t depend upon the Main Stream Media for our news.

I also would like to add that my solution to this “Green” revolution is to shove it in their face by Starting a Company called “The Green Company”, Have the Building painted “Grass Green” and all of the office paper on ‘green paper’ and the CEO with the last name of “Green” - - - and sell wood stoves, SUV’s etc.

Shove their symbolism right back in their face and make lots of money from non eco sensitive people who would like to support a ANTI symbolism based company.


49 posted on 04/23/2008 11:55:16 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Form a blog, a brief explanation of what is wrong with the IPCC models that predict so much warming - they rely on feedback THAT ISN’T THERE:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/open-thread/#comments

Is the 10% from the math or computer models or observed data from the atmosphere? I understand that CO2’s sensitivity has yet to be measured in the atmosphere.”

This number is estimated using basic physics which even skeptical scientists agree with (e.g. Richard Linzden, Pat Micheals). The source of 10% figure is explained on the junkscience.com page I linked to. I believe junkscience.com coined the term ‘playstation science’ in first place.

The computer models only become an issue when alarmists argue that a small increases in CO2 will by amplified by water vapour feedback. Saying CO2 accounts for 10% of the greenhouse effect does not include any of these feedbacks.

GW science is complex and not everything claimed by the alarmists is wrong.


The CO2 effect, in a direct sense, is not even the issue. The IPCC could be 100% right about the warming effect of CO2 and STILL be 100% wrong.

What the IPCC models rely on are the positive feedback issues. If there is no positive feedback, if there is instead, negative feedback leading to homeostasis, then the entire AGW hypothesis is in the dumper.

That’s what’s the big news about the AquaSat. No positive feedback. The water vapor that is supposed to be increasing the GH effect is instead going into cloud cover and increasing albedo/precipitation, which leads to an increase increase ice cover, which in turn leads to even more albedo.


50 posted on 04/23/2008 2:17:05 PM PDT by WOSG (Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs)
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To: LibertarianLiz
Will anyone have the guts to stand up and say "whoah!, we missed something here and we need to take a step back"?

Even the Boston Globe (editorial) and the Washington Post (op ed piece) have actually pointed that out about ethanol recently! (Maybe there's a catch there, but I don't know where!)

51 posted on 04/23/2008 2:27:51 PM PDT by maryz
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To: qam1

But it doesn’t really matter, even during the Little Ice age there were still El Ninos & heatwaves, the AGW crowd will just highlight those and no matter how cold the actual temps get they will just continue to “Hansenize” the data to show it getting warmer & warmer.”

Every blip warmer is “global warming”,
every blip cooler is “just weather, it will change”.

You are correct. OTOH, they were using a convenient set of slides to show - “This is the amount of warming per decade” ...

1980 - 2000 was a nice warming trend, useful for AGW hyping:
http://atmoz.org/img/climate_metrics.png
http://atmoz.org/blog/2008/04/14/comparable-global-climate-metrics/

If 2000-2010 shows no net warming, then the 0.16/decade trend becomes more like 0.10/decade.

“March 2008 was globally the 2nd warmest month ever.” Not quite. They were comparing March land values only.


52 posted on 04/23/2008 2:35:29 PM PDT by WOSG (Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs)
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To: jongaltsr

That works for me. Let me know when it goes public... i’ll buy some green stocks.


53 posted on 04/23/2008 4:23:41 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: cogitator
take your pick
The National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) just came out with their March climate report for the U.S. and the world. Here is a sampling of what it says........

—The average global temperature (land/ocean surface combined) for the month of March was 0.71 degrees celsius (1.28 F) above normal (against the 20th century mean) making it the 2nd warmest on record for the month of March (using 129 years of record keeping).

If you don't like those numbers then take a look at a few of the other sources for March 2008 global temperature measurement..........

RSS/MSU data

Global +0.08 c (More detail right here, courtesy of Anthony Watts)
Northern Hemisphere +0.47 c
Southern Hemisphere -0.33 c

UAH/MSU data

Global +0.10 c
Northern Hemisphere +0.43 c
Southern Hemisphere -0.24 c

GISS data

Global +0.67 c

Back to the NCDC March highlights.......

—The global (land only) surface temperature was the warmest on record! The main reason for this
is the fact that much of the Asian Continent (we are talking a major chunk of land here) was well above normal for the month of March.

—March snow cover extent on the Eurasian Continent was the lowest on record.

—The global ocean surface was 13th warmest on record, again thanks tp the warmth around Eurasia (Sorry, nice try La Nina!)

U.S. Highlights from the NCDC.......

—The average temperature for the U.S. was 0.22 Celsius (0.4 degrees F) below normal for March.

—Western snow pack was among the healthiest in more than a decade, which is great news.

54 posted on 04/23/2008 4:34:53 PM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: neverdem
Oh goodie goodie, this native Texan is looking so forward to an ice age. Can't come too soon for me.
55 posted on 04/23/2008 4:38:10 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: cogitator

56 posted on 04/23/2008 4:51:37 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (El Nino is climate, La Nina is weather.)
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From Watts up with that

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com

You’d think the answer would be obvious, but here we have a NOAA operated USHCN climate station of record providing a live experiment. It always helps to illustrate with photos. Today I surveyed a sewage treatment plant, one of 4 stations surveyed today (though I tried for 5) and found that for convenience, they had made a nice concrete walkway to allow servicing the Fisher-Porter rain gauge, which needs a paper punch tape replaced one a month.

Here is what you see in visible light:

Gee, I wonder why they show higher temperatures than RSS

57 posted on 04/23/2008 5:14:19 PM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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From Watts up with that

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com

You’d think the answer would be obvious, but here we have a NOAA operated USHCN climate station of record providing a live experiment. It always helps to illustrate with photos. Today I surveyed a sewage treatment plant, one of 4 stations surveyed today (though I tried for 5) and found that for convenience, they had made a nice concrete walkway to allow servicing the Fisher-Porter rain gauge, which needs a paper punch tape replaced one a month.

Here is what you see in visible light:

Gee, I wonder why they show higher temperatures than RSS

58 posted on 04/23/2008 5:18:10 PM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: steveab
Gee, I wonder why they show higher temperatures than RSS

Gee, I wonder if you know that RSS temperatures are for the lower troposphere and NOAA weather station temperatures are for the Earth's SURFACE ??????????

59 posted on 04/23/2008 9:36:50 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: jwalsh07

Who made the plot?


60 posted on 04/23/2008 9:38:00 PM PDT by cogitator
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