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Gates says Air Force not doing enough in Iraq war effort
AP ^ | April 21 , 2008 2 hours ago | AP

Posted on 04/21/2008 10:55:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: texson66
He’s the freakin’ SecDef for crying out loud! He could have come down on the AF CS during a staff meeting and given the AF a whatfor by when.

The last real Sec of Defense this nation had was Cap. Until we get another like him and a POTUS like his boss who will stand up to congress for our troops needs it's not going to get better. Wimps on the Left. Wimp enablers on the right. That is our goverment of today.

61 posted on 04/23/2008 12:42:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: cva66snipe

Back in the late 80s, the military embraced the Total Quality Management (TQM) craze. The whole point of that is to do more with less. And, there are SOME situations where it is possible to do more with less. But sooner or later it gets overdone. Eventually you can just do less with less.

Thanks to the GWOT, the military is finding this out the hard way now. Getting rid of Rumsfeld was a good thing as he tried to fight the Iraq war with that mindset. Problem is a generation of officers (generals), bureaucrats, and lawmakers have been weaned on the TQM ideology. And liberal lawmakers love a smaller military because it frees up resources to spend on entitlements.

The AF got rid of a lot of airframes since 1990. Sometimes this was justified, sometimes it was done without thinking. Getting rid of the ABCCC, the Wild Weasels, etc was not a good idea. I remember when Gen Jumper was proposing consolidating the JSTARS and AWACS platforms into a single airframe to reduce crew requirements. Not sure what happened to it, but it was a dumb, impractical idea. If we are serious about fighting a GWOT (and I don’t believe we are—yet) we will have to ramp up the military again.

We have 2X the population we did in WWII—there is no reason we have can’t have a much larger, more robust force.


62 posted on 04/23/2008 1:15:31 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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We have 2X the population we did in WWII—there is no reason we have can’t have a much larger, more robust force.

Several things would help. One is raising the End Troop Strengths to realistic levels of full time 24/7/365 readiness and reduce the reserve deployment dependence. Also at the top of the list is go back to the 3/3 or 4/2 enlistments instead of 8 year service obligations. That is ridiculous to have first time enlistees obligated that long. I can see where it would benefit career military but first one needs to be shorter. Bring back the full GI Bill. It saved my hide and put food on the table for my family during the 82 recession. I went back to school drawing pay to do so and did contract work for V.A. as well.

If you want straight answers as to the needs of the military go to the ones who know. E-6's and E-7's know what troops need in the field and what is needed on ships etc.

Congress is going to have to cut other programs and start replacing what they have allowed to be scuttled. Promises of replacement weapons systems somewhere down the road don't help matters now. Stop closing and selling bases. That too has hurt. If they aren't needed at the time at least keep the real-estate. Navy wise reopen Rosie Roads. Something tells me we'll need it sooner rather than later for Caribbean area staging and patrols. Return to a two carrier group 24/7/365 posture in the MED SEA Operations area. Find a more suitable place for a repair yard in the MED and close the one in UAE it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Under no circumstances should the conditions which happened with the USS COLE be allowed to happen again. Safety is in numbers not two days out from fleet. Refuel at sea. Stick with what works until something better is actually proven. The Navy thanks mostly to Cheney lost it's best carrier based fighter. The R&D funds should have went into Avionics upgrades and further orders for F-14's. We had the perfect mouse trap. One last one. Open a second carrier production capable shipyard preferably not in the Norfolk area. We are now depending way too much on facilities there for maintenance as well as building. Remember Pearl Harbor. These are good facilities but common sense says don't put every asset in one area.

63 posted on 04/23/2008 1:48:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Didn’t you think it was a good, encouraging speech?

I did not find it to be the least bit critical. And it is simply not possible to rationally conclude that Sec. Gates was implying that the Air Force wasn’t doing enough.

Incredibly misleading reporting.


64 posted on 04/23/2008 2:11:24 PM PDT by Nomen Klatura (Just a typical white person who's not not voting for a Democrat)
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To: Enchante

Gates is part of the problem, not the solution. If you want to increase the number of USAF Predators in CENTCOM, you have to shut down the schoolhouse. Gates said don’t do that - and now says the USAF hasn’t done enough.

It isn’t physically possible to do what Gates wants - significantly increase the numbers without shutting down the schoolhouse.

And jumping in folks chili in public doesn’t make it better. It A) hurts morale, and B) makes Gates look like a pussy who can’t direct his own department. A & B are both bad.

I’m about to leave the USAF after 25 years, but I’m embarrassed by Gates. Of course, I also think we have a bunch of namby-pambies (sp?) running the USAF, but that is a different fight...


65 posted on 04/23/2008 7:41:08 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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