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Our Thorny Oil Patch
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | 2008 | INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted on 04/12/2008 1:23:09 AM PDT by Exton1

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To: Exton1
We have plenty of oil in the USA but the dipsticks are in DC.
21 posted on 04/12/2008 5:27:54 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: kindred; All
“Capitalism is a dirty word to the politicians of America as they intend to takeover and run all buisness, we have but to look overseas to see the truth of what is “
>>>>>>>..........
Senator MCCARTHY was more right then even he knew..
Mega corps along with our politicians have been convinced
by educators at Ivy League schools (and CFR) that the root of evil is the NATION STATE..in an era of WMD’s wars must be avoided
so weaken all Nation States and form a world government.
the Constitution and the bill of rights have been kicked to the curb. (Scotus private prop ruling for one example-McCain finegold on free speech another)
Open borders and FREE TRADE are used to weaken our economic base as we ship needed industry to the third world and as we import poverty across our southern border..why does BUSH fight so hard to maintain an open border? (to the extent of jailing our very own border guards)
the increase in government control that is directly tied to the world government (global warming from EU and UN) ask MCCAIN why he supports major negative economic impact of Global warming laws and regs..and get the al gore answer to save the polar bears -LOL.
folks for those that can connect the dots..we are moving to some form of socialist world ruling body - not elected but appointed by the elites of the political and business class.
Freedom as we have known it is in it's last days..and our
elites (bushes/clintons/media/mega corps like GE as an example are fighting to be on the inside of this world government while the common man is kicked to the curb)
For those patriots who support our troops in Iraq ask yourselves why are we focused on a small war when the country's government has been take over from within.
Two party system my A$$.
22 posted on 04/12/2008 5:39:25 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: raygun

That would make the E85 more expensive than gasoline per mile driven.


23 posted on 04/12/2008 5:43:53 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: raygun
That's because E-85 has a .50 cent per gallon Federal tax “subsidy” - while regular gasoline prices contain a .48 cent per gallon state and Federal tax
24 posted on 04/12/2008 6:03:58 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: thackney

ping


25 posted on 04/12/2008 6:10:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Exton1
“Valero will probably sell three of its 17 refineries this year and maybe two more later to focus on its core operations amid what CEO Bill Klesse acknowledged on Tuesday is a weak economy.”

Sorry IMO his statement makes NO sense - “refining” and then selling gasoline, and related products” is it's core operation and business..... if they indent to keep selling gasoline then someone has to product it.

The US is already short 3 million barrels per day in actual refining capacity - versus US daily consumption - so we are already having to import refined gasoline from overseas locations!!!

I guess what he is saying is that they intend to let the Arabs and others also refine it, and then just sell it thru Valero’s pumps...??

26 posted on 04/12/2008 6:12:11 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Bommer

No, it was 200 to 400 billion barrels in place.

His work was included in a USGS report released the year after his death, 2001.

Diagenesis and Fracture Development in the Bakken Formation, Williston Basin: Implications for Reservoir Quality in the Middle Member
http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/p1653/p1653.pdf
U.S. Geological Survey Professional
By Janet K. Pitman, Leigh C. Price, and Julie A. LeFever
First printing November 2001

Technically recoverable oil is a lot less.

Report says up to 4.3 billion barrels of oil in Bakken shale
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999840/posts

ANWR is expected to have techically recoverable oil up to 16 billion barrels, a mean of 10.4 billion.

Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area,
Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.pdf


27 posted on 04/12/2008 6:19:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: VRWCTexan; Exton1

One of the refineries Valero is discussing selling is not in the US but in Aruba.

Valero Plans to Sell Aruba Refinery in Second Quarter (Update2)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=akkyr7QbxPrU&refer=news

Also on the list is Krotz Springs, Louisiana. This is their smallest refinery and was included in their purchase of Basis Petroleum from Salomon in 1997.

Admore, Oklahoma with their second smallest refinery is being considered; it was built in 1913 originally but with many upgrades since.

Memphis was listed, that one is a less obvious choice for me.


28 posted on 04/12/2008 6:33:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: VRWCTexan; Exton1

Also in the article above:

The company plans to bankroll improvements at its most complex plants by selling off its least desirable assets. Valero sold its 120-year-old refinery in Lima, Ohio, for $1.9 billion in July 2007.

Klesse also said Valero has no plans to invest in the Krotz Springs and Memphis plants. Memphis needs a new fluid catalytic cracker because the unit must be shut for repairs every 18 months instead of the four-to-five-year timeframe Valero considers normal, he said. Crackers are a refinery’s primary gasoline-processing unit.


29 posted on 04/12/2008 6:40:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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http://www.valero.com/AboutUs/Refineries/


30 posted on 04/12/2008 6:41:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: singfreedom

WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE COMMUNISTS WHO CONTROL EPA.


31 posted on 04/12/2008 6:47:12 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: Caipirabob

You are absolutely right. Right now we have elected royals who have been bought off by unions and foreign oil countries. Their pocket money is more important than this country. We really don’t have big problems in this country until our elected royals get their grubby hands into something.


32 posted on 04/12/2008 6:52:13 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: Caipirabob

You are absolutely right. Right now we have elected royals who have been bought off by unions and foreign oil countries. Their pocket money is more important than this country. We really don’t have big problems in this country until our elected royals get their grubby hands into something.


33 posted on 04/12/2008 6:52:14 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: tillacum

Sorry for the double post.


34 posted on 04/12/2008 7:03:48 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: thackney

Agreed - in fact the Aruba refinery is already “sold” to Pertobras - and all Valero plant improvements have stopped.

IMO the “IBD” article was spun to some degree to make it seem as if the refinery business as a whoe was suddenly headed back into the dumpster - as you note Valero is just wanting to free up some cash after having made some “bad” or poor purchasing decisions on their way to becoming the largest indepenent refiner in the US


35 posted on 04/12/2008 7:14:36 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: VRWCTexan
all Valero plant improvements have stopped

That part is not entirely true. We have some Valero refinery work completing engineering at my company.

36 posted on 04/12/2008 8:01:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: VRWCTexan; All

You and others might find this list interesting:

U.S. refinery expansion plans (Valero, Holly, Frontier)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1140699420080311


37 posted on 04/12/2008 8:08:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kellynla

ping for list above


38 posted on 04/12/2008 8:09:44 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanx, Thack! LOL

I always appreciate the “barrel of sanity” that you bring to these energy threads!


39 posted on 04/12/2008 8:17:03 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Exton1

Out local North Pole refinery has changed hands so many times we hardly notice anymore.


40 posted on 04/12/2008 8:18:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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