Posted on 04/10/2008 8:06:37 AM PDT by woollyone
How about serve the warrant (if they have one) with a knock on the door? They used to do that back when we had a more civilized government.
Not a bit. Do you know much about the gang culture and capabilities in CA, AZ, NM, TX? I do.
BTW, I carry concealed with a permit. So don't assume that I support gun control just because I note a fact--and a fact it is--about the unpleasant tendency of very powerful weaponry to find its way into the hands of very bad people. It does. I just don't happen to think that should be an excuse to disarm honest citizens, which is the goal of the lefties in any event.
Well... if less of these guys happen to return home after a ‘mission’, who’s to say legislators won’t push for more gun bans, to ‘make their job safer’?
Thanks for posting that!
***When their paycheck comes from the Feds.***
It doesn’t already?
Um...will you kindly cite a brief list of examples (at least two!) of citizens armed with “Rocket Propelled Grenades”?
We've become a nation full of bad guys armed to the teeth, who shoot at cops. These cops made a mistake, a big one and should pay consequences. But you don't pussyfoot on raids. The idea is to get in with lots of bodies and guns and to have the suspects controlled before any of them even touches a gun. It usually works. When it does, noone gets hurt and bad guys usually get caught. When it doesn't, cops get killed.
The problem with the sanctimonious moralizing going on in this thread is that the cops don't know, in advance, to know whether they are encountering a house full of sleeping people or a bunch of freaks on meth who playing with their guns. Everyone makes mistakes and this was a bad one. But I would never ask our police to enforce our laws in a manner that puts them at unnecessary risk. Pussyfooting on a raid does just that.
When the cops mess up like on this one, innocent folks can be hurt. Thank God they didn't this time. I regard that as the joint fault of the cops who made the mistake and the bad guys, who have made cops lives so dangerous. Police raids didn't used to be like this. There's a reason they have changed.
How would you feel if they ‘accidentally’ busted into your home, when their target was up the street?
I personally know of more than that where they were not only citizens, they were also bad guys, some were even here in the country illegally (big shock). Also, of course, the usual array of automatic weaponry, even automatic shotguns.
And a more civilized bunch of residents. We have 20 million illegals here, a substantial portion of which are members of one organized crime cartel or another. We have home growns who are just as bad.
I really don't see the increasing caution by the police as being something they sought. I see it as a reaction to the changes that have occurred in our nation in my lifetime. They suck.
Looks like I should purchase that book.
At least the house didn’t burn to the ground.
Excellent suggestion. That is where intelligence comes in. They have to go to the local mini-market for a pack of smokes and can of Colt 45 at some point, don't they?
The trouble is, they don't get to play "Commando" and shoot up the place, so it will never happen.
Every single one of the Founding Fathers, from those first legislators, to those men who were eagerly waiting in bars and taverns for news, are rolling in their graves.
Like somebody on here once said, the Founding Fathers rolling in their graves is an incredible source of untapped energy.
Recent congressionally passed law, now repealed, may have explicitly given this authority to the President. HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Section 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1807 wording.
Got this from Wikipedia.
“My question is if they’re going to act like this, at what point do they become a true military force and fall under posse comitatus restrictions?”
Now THAT’S an interesting question.
... where a single warrant for Peach Street covers the entire state.
Saved Lon Horiuchi's bacon, and his abuse was pretty blatant.
How do you prevent the stormtruppen kicking in the doors of innocent Americans who are blocks away from the target site ? How about having cops who can read a address on a warrant,a street map, street signs,the address on the house/mailbox as a minimum .
/jasper
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