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Gas Prices Soar as Refiners Cut Production
venturacountystar.com ^ | April 5, 2008 | John Wilen

Posted on 04/06/2008 11:05:38 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

All we should be worried about is being able to refine and use our own oil. But due to the Democrats being hand and hand with the Environmental cooks we cannot!


61 posted on 04/06/2008 1:24:58 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: rocksblues
All we should be worried about is being able to refine and use our own oil. But due to the Democrats being hand and hand with the Environmental cooks we cannot!

All's we need is a Republican House, Senate and Presidency, and we'll be a drilling like crazy. ANWR here we come.

62 posted on 04/06/2008 1:28:01 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: rabidralph

How true to put “leadership” in quotation marks. Sadly these days, Republican leadership is an oxymoron.

We’re an advanced, industrialized nation of over 300 million people and WE NEED ENERGY. Platitudes and feel good alternative sources projects aren’t going to cut it. Drill, drill, DRILL and that includes off the coast of my state. Those pristine beaches won’t be worth squat if tourists can’t afford the gas to come visit them.


63 posted on 04/06/2008 1:31:06 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet (He is risen!)
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To: kellynla
I wonder WHICH State will finally let the Federal Government talk to their hand... and DRILL DRILL DRILL and REFINE REFINE REFINE... as they build Nuclear Generators.. Coal plants and Natural GAS LINES....

COULD IT BE ALASKA?,, As well as mining gold, copper and many other natiral resources the world(America) needs.. Alaska could easily be the richest State of all..

It all depends on giving the Federal Goverment the Curly(Howard) salute.. And tieing up in State political court any action by the federal government.. Just dispute it ALL... Some State must be first to do this.. Then katie bar the door... Most all States will (except resouce poor Northeastern ones).. And States will form Cacuses of State politicians compounding the power..

64 posted on 04/06/2008 1:42:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: rednesss
All this talk of domestic drilling is slight of hand to misdirect our attention at what is truly causing the price of energy to skyrocket, the systematic dismantling of the value of our $$$$dollar, and rabid speculation on the commodities exchanges.

Hogwash! We can't use the vast amounts of coal deposits in this country. Nutjobs in Oregon want to dismantle dams that produce electricity. No new refinery capacity is being added. Nuclear power is demonized. We can't drill for new proven oil deposits. The list goes on and on.

Meanwhile nutjob limousine liberals on am620 in Portland gnash their teeth about obscene profits in "Big Oil" while they heat their 2500 sq ft homes with old oil furnaces in the West Hills, or their 4000 sq ft McMansion on the North Plains. Then they commute 2 hrs a day during the week and drive to the slopes or the coast every weekend. I'm so sick of the hypocracy.
65 posted on 04/06/2008 2:05:40 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: TimPatriot
"Lowering gas prices by developing more domestic production and refinery helps all Americans."

I've not seen anything that would support your premise that developing more domestic crude oil production would lower gas prices at the pump.

Do you think a barrel of crude pumped out of the ground in Texas will be sold on the futures market for less than the currently trading spot price??? That is foolish to believe. A barrel of oil that comes out of Texas will cost just as much as that same barrel if it came from Canada, Mexico or Venezuela, assuming it's the same grade. The U.S. company that produced it will still sell it to the highest bidder at the highest contract price that it can get, it's called capitalism. Unless of course you plan on nationalizing the all of the domestic oil producing companies and mandating that oil cannot be sold for more than $20 a barrel.

Just a wee bit communist to me there comrade. You also assume that the Exxon's and Chevron's are motivated to make their products as cheap as possible. That would be like DeBeer's flooding the world diamond market. They don't, they control production and distribution and only let enough diamonds on the market to keep their profits up.

66 posted on 04/06/2008 2:09:58 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
I've not seen anything that would support your premise that developing more domestic crude oil production would lower gas prices at the pump.

Oh, well there we have it. No use developing any new crude production worldwide then. Why bother, it's not like there's any increased worldwide and/or North American demand for any increased energy source. In fact, we should just listen to what Jimmy Carter told us and turn our thermostats down and start wearing a sweater. Lets blow up those dams on the Columbia, Snake, Klamath, and Santiam rivers too. We don't need electricity either. Once Oregon becomes the Oregon National Park we won't need houses either, because god knows there's hardly any logging anymore.

Willie Green is that you?
67 posted on 04/06/2008 2:18:18 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: george76
Right with you, Connecticut tax, Federal tax and wholesale gross receipt tax adds up to 63 cents per gallon.

The biggest price gougers are the federal and state governments.

In the mean time our state attorney general is call for his 500th investigation on over charging by the oil companies.

Another waste of tax dollars by our illustrious A.T. Dick Blumenthal.

68 posted on 04/06/2008 2:18:46 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: dragnet2
I have a simple solution. Two actually, we can pick. OK, three.

The third is just to tell the greens to take a flying leap and drill away everywhere. But it lacks the poetry of the others.

The second is to have the USN announce slight "carrying charges" for every oil tanker that wants to transit any sea without meeting an SSN.

The third and my personal favorite, in the turnabout as fair play category, is for the US to sit down with a few other countries like Poland, Ukraine, Brazil, Canada and Australia, and organize a food exporters collective. Announce unilateral price hikes of 800% on all forms of food. Also announce that not a single grain will be donated to anybody for any reason, humanity be damned. If the world wants to eat, it can pay our oil import bill for the last 10 years the day after tomorrow. If they don't like it, they can starve, or see how their oil tastes on toast.

The third is my favorite.

69 posted on 04/06/2008 2:22:14 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
The third is my favorite.

I like the way you think.
70 posted on 04/06/2008 2:26:03 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailback
It's not hogwash, do some research and try to not to get all frothed at the mouth.

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — Crude oil futures rebounded Friday after an overnight fall with the dollar stabilizing against other currencies.

Oil prices have held above $100 a barrel for more than a month, largely on the view that crude, gold and other hard commodities are effective hedges against a falling dollar and rising prices.

As the dollar has started to recover against the yen and euro, investors have been less prone to pour money into oil for reasons unrelated to supply and demand. Still, with long term prospects bleak for the U.S. currency, oil remains attractive as an investment.

Light, sweet crude for May delivery rose 88 cents to $104.71 a barrel by noon in Europe on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The Nymex crude contract settled $1 lower in the previous session at $103.83 a barrel.

Prices, analysts say, remain caught between those that want to buy oil as a hedge against another reversal in the dollar and those saying slowing economies worldwide will cut demand for fuel and energy.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As gas prices hit another record high Thursday, senators in Washington suggested Congress may need to intervene and change how investors buy and sell oil.

The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee tackled the complicated but potentially critical topic of speculation, raising the possibility that Congress might make it harder for investors to buy high-risk oil contracts which some say are driving up gas prices.

"I think it's a minimum of a dollar a gallon," said Sean Cota, a regional chairman with the Petroleum Marketers Association of America. "That's very significant."

Two days earlier, oil executives told Congress that speculation might be responsible for half the current cost of oil. Leaders from five top companies agreed that current supply and demand levels should place the price near $55 a barrel, instead of the roughly $100 a barrel in recent days. Thursday, senators heard conflicting opinion on the idea, but many showed open distrust of the speculation market.

"I think there's an orgy of speculation that we ought to be deciding to do something about," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-North Dakota.

He and others raised the idea of changing the margin or amount investors must pay up front in order to engage in oil speculation. It would be a hugely significant change in financial markets. Dorgan said stock speculation requires a 50% margin, but commodities like oil demand a much lower threshold, just 5% or 7%. Experts say the result has been a flood of investment in oil, seen as a commodity more immune from inflation issues.

"I do think the margin requirements are low," testified Sarah Emerson, the managing director of research firm Energy Security Analysis. Emerson told senators that a change in the margin rate may be among their only short-term options to address speculation and soaring oil prices.

"I do think that's one tool that Congress has," she said. "There really aren't any other easy fixes, save drawing down the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve), which I wouldn't necessarily recommend."

Other analysts insisted that global events and the weak dollar might be just as much to blame for the oil bubble.

But senators from both parties focused on speculation and a possible change in the margin rate, insisting it needs to be addressed.

"This is very confusing and everybody gets confused," said Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico, ranking Republican on the Energy Committee.

71 posted on 04/06/2008 2:34:03 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: RandallFlagg

It is a great idea. All the Hillary, Obama cars will get on under their windshield.


72 posted on 04/06/2008 2:34:14 PM PDT by bmwcyle (McCain has yet to give conservatives a reason to vote for him)
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To: nutmeg; BufordP

ping it!


73 posted on 04/06/2008 2:35:37 PM PDT by bmwcyle (McCain has yet to give conservatives a reason to vote for him)
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To: rednesss
Do you think a barrel of crude pumped out of the ground in Texas will be sold on the futures market for less than the currently trading spot price???... Unless of course you plan on nationalizing the all of the domestic oil producing companies and mandating that oil cannot be sold for more than $20 a barrel....Just a wee bit communist to me there comrade. You also assume that the Exxon's and Chevron's are motivated to make their products as cheap as possible

Of coursse I do not think that a barrel of oil drilled anywhere today will be cheaper. I believe the price has been rising rapidly due to increase in demand and speculation on the instability of regions of the world which might plunge into war causing interruptions to the the flow. Do you believe that Exxon and Chevron do not want to develop more drilling in parts of the United States if it is economically in their best interest? Your assumption that I think we should nationalize oil production is just a wee bit presumptious and condenscending, comrade. This country and the world's energy needs are only going to increase. To not be prepared to meet those demands due to political obstacles put in the way of companies who want to develop the resource is inviting cripplingly high prices for energy. I think if politcal obstacles were removed in even a few cases, such as developing ANWAR oil, the step in that direction may lower some component of the price that is due to speculation on future supply and demand. Do you think that is not possible? It would take time to develop more drilling and/or refinery capacity, or to develop other sources of energy or technologies. I'm suggesting that prices not be fixed, but political pressure that was effective in lowering the obstacles to development would move prices downward naturally if energy producing companies moved to do so once the obstacles were removed, of course if it is in their own interest.
74 posted on 04/06/2008 2:39:02 PM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: Tailback
"Oh, well there we have it. No use developing any new crude production worldwide then."

Worldwide???? We weren't talking about worldwide production. We were talking about domestic production. Please seek out the definition of "domestic".

75 posted on 04/06/2008 2:41:33 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: TimPatriot
"I think if politcal obstacles were removed in even a few cases, such as developing ANWAR oil, the step in that direction may lower some component of the price that is due to speculation on future supply and demand. Do you think that is not possible?"

No I don't think it's possible for the foreseeable future. Worldwide oil supply is exceeding the demand currently. Shortages are not driving this current run-up. And ANWR is a drop in the bucket compared to the Bakken Formation.

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While relatively new in Canada, Bakken exploration has been underway in the U.S. since 2000 and has increased dramatically in recent years. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the Bakken formation could contain a mind-boggling 413 billion barrels of oil in place.

New curiosity developed in 2007 when EOG Resources out of Houston, Texas reported that a single well it had drilled into an oil-rich layer of shale below Parshall, North Dakota is anticipated to produce 700,000 barrels (111,000 m³) of oil. Estimates for ultimate oil contained in the entire Bakken play range from 271 billion to 503 billion barrels (40–80 km³), with a mean of 413 billion barrels (65 km³) of technically recoverable and irrecoverable oil.[6]

This massive estimate appears to dwarf the estimated 50–70 billion barrels (8–11 km³) of technically recoverable and irrecoverable oil in Alaska's North Slope. A conservative estimate of Bakken's technically recoverable oil would be 1% to 3%, or between 4.1 and 12.4 billion barrels (0.6–2 km³) of oil, due to the fact that Bakken's shale is so tight. However, other estimates range from 10% to as high as 50% technically recoverable reserves.[7] By comparison, recoverable oil estimates in the Alaska formation are 30% to 50%, or a mean of 26 billion barrels (4 km³).

Arctic Refuge Wildlife Reserve

A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 km³) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 km³). In addition, in the entire assessment area, which covers not only land under Federal jurisdiction, but also Native lands and adjacent State waters within three miles (5 km), technically recoverable oil is estimated to be at least 5.7 billion (95%) and as much as 16.0 billion (5%) barrels (0.7 to 1.9 km³), with a mean value of 10.4 billion barrels (1.2 km³). Economically recoverable oil within the Federal lands assuming a market price of $40/barrel (constant 1996 dollars - the highest price included in the USGS study) is estimated to be between 3.4 billion (95%) and 10.4 billion (5%) barrels (0.5 to 1.7 km³), with a mean value of 6.8 billion barrels (1.1 km³).[3]

The 10.4-billion barrels (1.65 km³) figure was used in publications by the U.S. Department of the Interior while it was headed by Gale Norton, a proponent of drilling in the Arctic Refuge.[10]

The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m³) daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[11] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels (680,000,000 m³), would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last for 215 days under the low estimate, and 525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels (1,650,000,000 m³).

76 posted on 04/06/2008 2:55:26 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: rednesss
Worldwide oil supply is exceeding the demand currently

As I said in my previous reply, I believe specutlation on future supply and demand is largly driving up the price, what do you think is driving it up. I too have read of several large oil reserves that are available to tap in the U.S., I chose ANWAR just as an example of where Congress failed to move in the the desire and interest of the oil companies and the people of Alaska for overly hyped environmental concerns.
77 posted on 04/06/2008 3:11:19 PM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: rabidralph
"It would be nice if the republican “leadership” highlighted and pounded this point instead of suggesting alternative energy subsidies."

I'd love to hear the republican plan also besides energy from toxic batteries, or "free" energy from hydrogen that requires petroleum to create anyway. If the GOP wasn't so scared of its own shadow they could educate people instead of rolling up into a fetal ball.

78 posted on 04/06/2008 3:22:07 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Tailback
Meanwhile nutjob limousine liberals on am620 in Portland gnash their teeth about obscene profits in "Big Oil" while they heat their 2500 sq ft homes with old oil furnaces in the West Hills, or their 4000 sq ft McMansion on the North Plains.

Altho basically an east coaster, I spend fair time in Oregon, business and a leased residence. As much or more than any other place, the exploding divide between Left and Right is graphic. The working folks in the towns and country are the best and most genuine I've seen. But there sure are a lot of the leftist hypocrites around.

Maybe it's the Californians moving north, ala Seattle.

79 posted on 04/06/2008 4:02:35 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: rednesss

You’re here spouting an agenda. Facts are not going to cloud the issues with you. Everyone arguing with you is wasting time.

Does it pay well to be a seminar poster Willie Green?


80 posted on 04/06/2008 4:18:05 PM PDT by Tailback
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