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Ben Bernanke admits Bear Stearns was hours from collapse
Times of London ^ | 04/03/08 | Dearbail Jordan

Posted on 04/03/2008 9:22:59 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Balding_Eagle
I don’t farm, but then, you knew that.

Yes, I'm very happy to know that you no longer accept welfare payments from the American taxpayers.

201 posted on 04/04/2008 8:41:56 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers (and liberals) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I quit just to make you happy.


204 posted on 04/04/2008 8:44:21 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Halgr

haaaaaaaaaaa


205 posted on 04/04/2008 8:44:46 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Halgr

My only question is, if the taxpayers are stuck with any part of this fiasco, do the CEO and other bigwigs still get their multi-million golden parachute retirements?


206 posted on 04/04/2008 8:44:57 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Halgr

foflololol!


207 posted on 04/04/2008 8:45:12 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Toddsterpatriot; LS
But I never saw you say it. I wouldn't want to get in trouble for quoting you second hand.

Fair enough, I did already say I could see how that could happen. Why so defensive?

"In the letter, Treasury agrees that the Fed can bill Treasury for any losses from the Bear Stearns deal"

You mean do I agree that the Paulson letter says:

QUOTING HERE!!!!

"On behalf of the Department of the Treasury, I support this action as appropriate and in the government's interest, and acknowledge that if any loss arises out of the special facility extended by the FRBNY to JPMCB, the loss will be treated by the FRBNY as an expense that may reduce the net earnings transfered by the FRBNY to the Treasury general fund"

CLOSE QUOTE!!!

*scratching head* Well, it does say what it says, doesn't it???

You need to be more specific. You said the above in response to a post with 6 separate points. It's possible I agreed with some or all, but didn't know which one (or ones) you were talking about.

This one of LS's points:

QUOTING HERE!:

"since no bank EVER has enough money to meet all liabilities in cash"

END OF QUOTE!

Looking back I realized that you had never actually said it in so may words, you had just set up a strawman scenario to prove me wrong that required 40 250 lb contractors to descend on my imaginary bank and demand all their loans IN CASH RIGHT NOW, (when, BTW, I had only made 33 loans!) to prove that I knew nothing of banking.

So although you never said a bank needs to be able to cover all liabilities in cash, you used an example of precisely that AND more, to prop up your argument.

For some silly reason I briefly thought you meant that a bank must keep enough cash on hand to cover every loan in cash, since that was the standard you were trying to hold the First National Bank of Nully to.

My mistake, sorry.

208 posted on 04/04/2008 8:45:53 PM PDT by null and void (If you thought Congress was bad you ought to see what the folks who admit they are criminals can do)
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To: null and void

lolol!


209 posted on 04/04/2008 8:47:24 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Toddsterpatriot
(Yanking thread back to topic)

Assuming the worst case, the whole $29 billion is lost (ya - ya I know) that works to roughly $93 bucks worth of exposure for each 'Murican.

Now compare that to the guaranteed down the rat hole $50 Billion Dubya is proposing for Africa, comes to about $166 per 'Murican.

Help with the ... well you know how us Protectionists are with math?

Sounds like we got a bargain.

211 posted on 04/04/2008 8:48:25 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: null and void
"On behalf of the Department of the Treasury, I support this action as appropriate and in the government's interest, and acknowledge that if any loss arises out of the special facility extended by the FRBNY to JPMCB, the loss will be treated by the FRBNY as an expense that may reduce the net earnings transfered by the FRBNY to the Treasury general fund"

Excellent! Does that mean the same as

"In the letter, Treasury agrees that the Fed can bill Treasury for any losses from the Bear Stearns deal."

I don't think it does.

So although you never said a bank needs to be able to cover all liabilities in cash, you used an example of precisely that AND more, to prop up your argument.

No bank has enough cash on hand to pay back all their depositors. In your example, you didn't have enough money (cash or deposits at the Fed) to cover all your loans. On your first day in business.

216 posted on 04/04/2008 8:59:13 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers (and liberals) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I don't think it does.

I see.

If you were expecting, say, $1000.00 from me and I offset MY expenses by taking some of YOUR $1000.00, and I only gave you, say, $700.00, you wouldn't think I'd billed you?

OoooooooKAY

No bank has enough cash on hand to pay back all their depositors.

Bingo!

You said I did need to by the very nature of your strawman argument.

Silly me! I took you at your word!

217 posted on 04/04/2008 9:09:10 PM PDT by null and void (If you thought Congress was bad you ought to see what the folks who admit they are criminals can do)
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To: null and void
Treasury agrees that the Fed can bill Treasury for any losses from the Bear Stearns deal.

Sounds like the Treasury has to give tax dollars to the Fed. I disagree.

If you were expecting, say, $1000.00 from me and I offset MY expenses by taking some of YOUR $1000.00, and I only gave you, say, $700.00, you wouldn't think I'd billed you?

If you expect $100 from your Aunt on your birthday and she loses at the casino and only gives you $50, did the casino bill you?

No bank has enough cash on hand to pay back all their depositors.

Bingo!

You said I did need to by the very nature of your strawman argument.

Ummmmm....the heavy set men in your lobby were not your depositors. They had checks that you gave out as loans. Bouncing a loan check is not the best way to start your new bank.

Silly me! I took you at your word!

Silly you, you misunderstood, again.

218 posted on 04/04/2008 9:20:30 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers (and liberals) so bad at math?)
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