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The School Crotch Inspector - Fighting the Advil menace, one strip search at a time
Reason ^ | April 2, 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 04/02/2008 3:39:20 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: 50mm
"had been that Savana had put Advil in a personal cavity. Would you be okay with a cavity search in that case?"

That depends. Did Savana put the Advil in my personal cavity or hers?

In either case, it's Emergency Room time with the parents and the police. There's health and safety issues involved, plus a gross violation of privacy.

161 posted on 04/03/2008 12:47:56 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Dan Evans; robertpaulsen

Bobby wants us to become the perfect drug-free police state. NOTHING is too far over the top if it keeps just ONE person in jail for possessing a single joint or, in this case, a single Advil tablet. Bobby is the perfect fascist bootlicker.


162 posted on 04/03/2008 12:51:26 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Dan Evans
What a stupid thing to say. We are talking about homosexuals having access to children. Are you telling me that you would have no problem with a homosexual tending to your kid in a locker room or on an overnight camping trip?

Nope. Not unless the 'mo were a pedophile or a pederast as well. Child molestation is not the exclusive realm of homosexuals; there are plenty of heterosexual child molesters as well. And just because one is a homosexual, one is not necessarily a pedophile or pederast.

163 posted on 04/03/2008 12:54:01 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: robertpaulsen

Interesting that you left out the “uncorroborated accusation” part of my question when you quoted me. Are you okay with acting on anybody’s wild accusations, corroborated or not?


164 posted on 04/03/2008 12:56:00 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Dan Evans
Public schools systems have become so corrupt and dysfunctional that most public school teachers fall into the "dimwit' category.

BRAVO sierra. Hyperbole is not going to make your point for you, friend.

165 posted on 04/03/2008 12:56:11 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: robertpaulsen
I'm simply saying that decision would leave little Miss Drug Dealer in business and open up the school for future lawsuits.

So the choices are either strip this little girl down immediately, or do nothing and let the entire school body die from her drug pushing? You're getting a tad ridiculous here, Bob. What happened to investigating the uncorroborated accusation a bit more fully, talking to and observing the accused girl, thereby giving her a chance to explain herself, and why, for example, she was accused of doing what she did, calling her parents and letting them have a say in the proceedings, etc., etc.?

Or are you so steeped in your inflammatory rhetoric that you think only an immediate strip search would have saved society from certain ruin in this instance?

166 posted on 04/03/2008 1:00:37 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: dirtboy
Well, you can afford your attitude because you know the results. The school didn't know what they would find.

Had she shaken out her bra and out drops Ecstasy or crack, then what? (Reason never would have printed the story, for one. Meaning we never would have heard about it.)

You're trying to minimize the Advil. She distributed a prohibited drug. Period. It's Advil. So?

If you think that should be OK, fine, write it into the school rules that kids can exchange Advil in the hallways along with any other legal drug they want.

But don't come out after the fact and say, "It's only Advil".

167 posted on 04/03/2008 1:02:14 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: dcwusmc
"if it keeps just ONE person in jail for possessing a single joint"

Can I pick that person? Can I? Can I? Huh?

168 posted on 04/03/2008 1:04:38 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Ash, is that you?


169 posted on 04/03/2008 1:08:49 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: 50mm
"Are you okay with acting on anybody’s wild accusations, corroborated or not?"

In this case, yes. I take it you would not?

170 posted on 04/03/2008 1:11:27 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: thundrey
She was searched by females, the principle wasn’t present.

She should of gouged their eyes out, threw a chair through the window and escaped these nut cases.

That would have really put this school on the map for what they are.

171 posted on 04/03/2008 1:12:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: robertpaulsen

Why sure, bobby. BUT... if you pick wrong and your manufactured evidence doesn’t stand up, can I give you a long, slow bath in a vat of hot oil?


172 posted on 04/03/2008 1:16:00 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: robertpaulsen
In this case, yes. I take it you would not?

You take it right. I don't support warrantless search police states.

Maybe it didn't occur to you that already-busted Marissa could have made the wild accusation because she doesn't like honor student Savana and she's protecting her real drug buddy. Maybe a real investigation could have determined the truth before Savana's humiliation.

If Savana were my daughter, I would pummel the pervert who stripped her and anybody who got in my way.

173 posted on 04/03/2008 1:21:22 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: dragnet2
"She should of gouged their eyes out, threw a chair through the window and escaped these nut cases."

Whoa! It was the school nurse, not Nurse Ratched.

174 posted on 04/03/2008 1:23:57 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I see you completely sidestepped the scenario I presented to you.

Not that I'm surprised.

175 posted on 04/03/2008 1:24:21 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: robertpaulsen
The school didn't know what they would find.

No, but they know what they expected to find, if anything---the thing for which they were looking. I seem to remember a certain something about searches in a document I read somewhere . . . you might have read it . . . something about warrants and probable cause, particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Hmm. That would seem to make the sort of fishing expedition you propose here a tad, um, wrong.

The more you stick to this "well, the girl could've been pushing an entire illegal drug pharmacy out of her panties," the crazier you sound. You do realize that, don't you? Only you are making the leap that if she's distributing Advil out of her skivvies, then she's probably dealing Ecstasy out of there as well.

176 posted on 04/03/2008 1:24:44 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: robertpaulsen
Well, you can afford your attitude because you know the results. The school didn't know what they would find.

Hey, why stop with strip searches at school? Let's just allow the cops to search any home or car they wish. Never know what they will find.

177 posted on 04/03/2008 1:26:42 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: robertpaulsen
No I don't want to rethink it. Having a parent even in the next room is better then nothing. Plus if it were my husband & our daughter he would have told the school to go to hell & took our daughter home & out of that school for good. As for school nurses I think many of them are useless. Why didn't the school call for a female cop if they thought the child had drugs? Where does the school get off telling a 13 yr old to undress? If they thought she had drugs they should have let the police handle it & the parents should have been there. Even if the father had to be in the next room while his child was being searched & stripped down it would have been better for the child to know somebody from her family was there.
178 posted on 04/03/2008 1:31:05 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: 50mm
"Maybe it didn't occur to you that already-busted Marissa could have made the wild accusation because she doesn't like honor student Savana and she's protecting her real drug buddy."

Sure. You could ignore it. But what if the uncorroborated accusation by druggie Marissa had been that Savana had put Advil in a personal cavity was true? Kids do stupid things, you know.

And what if the package leaked? What if the package contained more than just Advil? What if Savana had died from shock because you didn't want to take any action becaue someone's "feelings" might get hurt?

179 posted on 04/03/2008 1:31:33 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; dirtboy

Hey Bob, why don’t we strip search all the kids as they enter the school each day? That way we can be sure the school is drug free. Who needs that pesky real evidence. We have to be proactive here. It’s the nannystate’s..er..school’s responsibility to force adherence to the rules of Bobby’s world.


180 posted on 04/03/2008 1:32:37 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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