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The School Crotch Inspector - Fighting the Advil menace, one strip search at a time
Reason ^ | April 2, 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 04/02/2008 3:39:20 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Darren McCarty
BTW, I looked at TLO, and I would have to say that I have real problems with it. Even so, applying the standard set forth there, the current opinion is a dog, and I have a hard time understanding how a Princeton/Yalie Bush appointee could have written this gawdawful tripe. Would he have liked it if the authorities at Princeton had raided is drinking--oops---eating club, and strip searched him for an illegal fifth of liquor on the say-so of a fellow clubbie who had gotten into trouble for tearing apart property on a drunken spree.

Some balancing is required between the nature of the offense and the appropriateness of the intrusion to investigate the offense. Some offenses we could put in the category of being offenses only if they are in plain sight. Someone getting drunk in the privacy of his home or club and not causing immediate offense causes no offense to the state. But I have never liked the "conservative" view of search and seizure, and Scalia's views of the power of the state here, I think, will tarnish his reputation as an originalist in the long term.

1,141 posted on 04/06/2008 9:49:16 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
I don't like the TLO case either, although that whole series goes back to Terry v Ohio ("Terry stops"). I use it more for arguments sake because that's what binding, at least for now.

That 9th decision was bad. Reminded me of the "turn in your neighbor" policies. This isn't a bomb or gun threat or anything with imminent danger. This isn't "Special needs," as far as I can see. This is at worst and advanced form of over the counter medication - 2 Advils. What I liked about the dissent, is that it never lost sight of that fact. This is less severe than even smokin' in the girls room.

If this happened in a state university version of Princeton, there would be hell to pay, and I think would have been tossed out.

My worry is that too many conservatives are so worried about "special needs doctrine" for emergencies that they'll put up with this type of stuff to reserve that power. That's what balancing acts do. I've seen the attitudes change just here on FR over the last 7 years, and that includes among lawyers.

1,142 posted on 04/06/2008 10:27:32 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Grunthor

Clearly not. What’s a young girl’s right count for anyway to perverts like that. They’ll use any excuse to molest someone, or support it.

I still think his job is being a principal. Only another principal is brain damaged enough to see nothing wrong with this.


1,143 posted on 04/06/2008 10:36:00 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: driftdiver

That he will never do. He hasn’t done so yet. All he’s done is approved of child molestation and abuse and projected his perverted fantasies on everyone else accusing them of thinking like he does.


1,144 posted on 04/06/2008 10:38:52 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Darren McCarty
She was afraid of getting in trouble if she refused.

Not based on statements or actions by school staff.

But feel free to try produce any.

1,145 posted on 04/06/2008 10:39:30 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: AndyJackson

He can’t get a clue. Like an object falling into a black hole, it’ll get lost forever in the space that should have been occupied by his brain.


1,146 posted on 04/06/2008 10:40:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AndyJackson
They demanded, compliance

No quote, of course.

1,147 posted on 04/06/2008 10:40:25 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Darren McCarty
too many conservatives are so worried about "special needs doctrine" for emergencies

The folks who want "special powers" ought to understand the clear distinction between the need for dealing with incursions of terrorists and this sort of thing. Confuting the one with the other to justify strip searching girls to see if they are carrying Advil, demonstrates that the untrammeled powers of the state are a greater threat than terrorists ever could be.

1,148 posted on 04/06/2008 10:40:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave

You already supplied it.


1,149 posted on 04/06/2008 10:41:21 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
She was coerced. Dude.

You can't support your assertion. Dude.

1,150 posted on 04/06/2008 10:41:57 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: metmom
I still think his job is being a principal.

I think you would be a poor student.

1,151 posted on 04/06/2008 10:43:39 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: metmom
is being a principal.

Nope the average principal has more problems and responsibilities than any reasonable human being can cope with. Clear guidelines on where to draw the line is his/her friend. This guy is clearly a power-hungry assistant deputy administrator for BS. That is the sort of person who lusts after the instruments of authority.

1,152 posted on 04/06/2008 10:44:06 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Republic of Texas
I’m sure she was scared, and coerced by the fact that she feels powerless against the school administrators. Kids are brainwashed to feel that way from kindergarten on.

It's not just kids. Parents are the same way.

Somehow this mentality that the schools have the authority to tell you what to do with your private, personal life has cropped up (no doubt aided by the teachers unions and other mindless jack booted thug perverts who want absolute control over others) and parents have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Now they can't think or make decisions for themselves without looking for the schools permission. Just the way some people like it.

1,153 posted on 04/06/2008 10:44:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AndyJackson
You already supplied it.

But strangely you can't quote the "demand".

1,154 posted on 04/06/2008 10:44:42 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Not based on statements or actions by school staff.

That doesn't matter.

1,155 posted on 04/06/2008 10:44:57 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Mojave; metmom
You can't support your assertion. Dude.

You certainly aren't responsible for anything having to do with education, since you don't even understand what a dictionary is for.

1,156 posted on 04/06/2008 10:45:33 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Darren McCarty
That doesn't matter.

I know. All that matters is what you feel.

1,157 posted on 04/06/2008 10:46:12 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Grunthor

It depends on who’s on the receiving end of the strip search. The principal should be subject to one in front of a school nurse and another teacher.


1,158 posted on 04/06/2008 10:46:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mojave
Per the assertion she was "asked." I gave you the dictionary definition of ask, one of which is to demmand.

You are basing your defense of these jack-booted thugs on the splitting of a semantic hair that won't split.

1,159 posted on 04/06/2008 10:46:56 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave; driftdiver
So you and the ACLU want federal power extended to local public schools. Got it.

Your deranged fantasies. That's what you've been arguing for all along.

1,160 posted on 04/06/2008 10:48:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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