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Vaccine Failure Means Setback in AIDS Fight
FOXNews.com ^ | Friday, March 21, 2008 | FOXNews.com

Posted on 03/21/2008 5:39:05 AM PDT by metmom

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To: metmom

This reminds me of a South Park episode two weeks ago:

the cure for AIDS was discovered by examining Magic Johnson’s lifestyle- and they found that it takes exposure to large sums of money to cure AIDS.


41 posted on 03/21/2008 6:28:14 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Beats me.


42 posted on 03/21/2008 6:29:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Great moral tests of all time? What a joke!

Really? How would you frame a disease that has already killed 25 million people, the equivalent of two of Hitler's Holocausts. Somewhere around 40 million people are currently infected -- most will die of the disease -- and 12 million children in sub-Saharan Africa alone are orphans because their parents have died of AIDS. Maybe that's not a moral test to you, and maybe you'd like to visit the sins of the parents on those 12 million innocent children, but if that's the case, you and I have a starkly different conception of morality.

There's no need to be wasting money finding a cure for something people could stop dead in its tracks with a change in their behavior.

The same way we could stop lung cancer and heart disease dead in their tracks by changing behavior? Why is HIV/AIDS different?

43 posted on 03/21/2008 6:29:27 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
So again, I repeat my question: Why do posters on FR treat HIV/AIDS differently?

Probably because of the GLBT agenda to make their lifestyles, which predispose them to a fatal disease, socially, morally, and physically mainstream; this agenda is foisted on people's children in schools. If you think that there is no anger directed toward the GLBT communities because of this, you are mistaken.

If smokers and fat people pushed their lifestyles on school kids, imagine the anger.

It's clear that you'd like someone to admit being bigoted against the GLBT lifestyle, or "catch" some poor poster in a statement that indicates to you they are bigoted. What are you going to do, if that happens? Jump all over them?

44 posted on 03/21/2008 6:32:30 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
HIV/AIDS can be prevented by self-control. And then I made some points you seem to agree with (many diseases are preventable with a little prevention). I’m glad we agree.

I think the biggest push should be on prevention: educating people about HIV/AIDS and about how they can prevent or limit transmission, just as I agree we should teach kids to eat right, exercise and warn them about the dangers of smoking.

But any time you have 40 million already infected, for whom that news is too late, I think you have to do something more to help find treatments and/or a cure. We do that for people suffering from other preventable diseases -- like lung cancer, the common cold and heart disease -- and we do it for HIV/AIDS. I see nothing wrong in that.

45 posted on 03/21/2008 6:33:37 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
The same way we could stop lung cancer and heart disease dead in their tracks by changing behavior? Why is HIV/AIDS different?

You know the answer to your question, you're just looking for a fight.

46 posted on 03/21/2008 6:34:16 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne
It's clear that you'd like someone to admit being bigoted against the GLBT lifestyle, or "catch" some poor poster in a statement that indicates to you they are bigoted.

I think you're either being just slightly paranoid here or you're mistaking me for someone else. When have I ever talked about the "GLBT lifestyle?"

47 posted on 03/21/2008 6:35:17 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Any idea how much money is devoted to research for a CURE for lung cancer, vs a CURE for HIV?

I have news for you: HIV outranks them all. Why? What’s makes the sexual lifestyle choice more “special” than the other diseases, like, for instance, breast cancer?


48 posted on 03/21/2008 6:36:12 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne; Alter Kaker
What are you going to do, if that happens? Jump all over them?

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No, I think he's already done that.

It's clear that he speaks from a morally superior position, you see.

49 posted on 03/21/2008 6:36:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Why is HIV/AIDS different?

Are you really that clueless?

I don't give heart disease and lung cancer to others by my lifestyle choices.

50 posted on 03/21/2008 6:37:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alter Kaker
I think you're either being just slightly paranoid here or you're mistaking me for someone else. When have I ever talked about the "GLBT lifestyle?"

You haven't. You're demanding to know why HIV research is different than lung cancer research, waiting for someone else to bring it up. Okay, I did.

51 posted on 03/21/2008 6:37:56 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne
You know the answer to your question, you're just looking for a fight.

No I don't. Lot's of diseases are preventable. Obviously people should take steps to prevent preventable diseases -- nobody's going to argue with you on that. But why treat AIDS differently on FR than lung cancer, heart disease, or, frankly, mesothelioma (a nearly 100% preventable disease that you can avoid by simply not inhaling asbestos fibers)?

52 posted on 03/21/2008 6:38:03 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

” maybe you’d like to visit the sins of the parents on those 12 million innocent children, but if that’s the case”

Unfortunately the sins of the parents already visited these poor innocent children when the parents CHOSE a lifestyle that
KILLED THEM.

my goodness, There is only one thing that I CAN DO to help someone KEEP FROM GETTING AIDS at this point...
TELL THEM TO STAY away from that ACT that causes it!

Now when we have a person who CHOOSES not to and gets AIDS WE will take care of the innocent children. THERE IS not fault on us. nor will I take someones attitude that it is my fault.


53 posted on 03/21/2008 6:38:19 AM PDT by ConfidentConservative
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To: trisham; metmom; Alter Kaker

Ah, the morally superior GLBT, rainbow position. Yes, of course.


54 posted on 03/21/2008 6:39:23 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Judith Anne
You're demanding to know why HIV research is different than lung cancer research, waiting for someone else to bring it up. Okay, I did.

Huh? Maybe you should instead respond to what I'm actually saying, instead of what you think I'm thinking about saying, but not saying, and waiting for someone else to say. Parsing your comments is giving me a headache. And for the record, I don't know anything about HIV research vs. cancer research, nor what point you're trying to make.

55 posted on 03/21/2008 6:40:26 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Judith Anne

No surprise either.


56 posted on 03/21/2008 6:40:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne
Ah, the morally superior GLBT, rainbow position.

So let me get this straight... you're accusing me (and, presumably, the President) of being GLBT (which I assume is a code word for "gay") because we take HIV/AIDS seriously? Uh... ok. Have fun with that.

57 posted on 03/21/2008 6:42:54 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

The vast majority of HIV cases STILL occur in homosexual males. Homosexual males want society to educate schoolchildren in the lifestyle, want the parents to accept, fund, and approve the education of their children in the lifestyle, and want society as a whole to ignore the severe physical and mental consequences of the “gay” lifestyle.


58 posted on 03/21/2008 6:43:51 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Funny, but most diseases are preventable by self-control. As far as dollar impact on the economy goes, the Common Cold beats HIV/AIDS by a mile, and yet something like 90% of all cold cases could be prevented if people simply washed their hands more often. Yet whenever we have a cold thread, we don't have self righteous moralists lambasting those of us stupid ones who occasionally get colds. Maybe you should spend less time casting stones and more time thinking up solutions to one of the great moral tests of our time.

You don't get the common cold through deviant sexual behavior. So here's the solution. Don't bugger (or be buggered by) other men...

59 posted on 03/21/2008 6:44:18 AM PDT by Originalist (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. - RWR)
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To: Alter Kaker

You’re the one demanding to know why HIV is different from all other diseases, here on FR.

You know the answer, you just want to get in a fight. That’s trolling.


60 posted on 03/21/2008 6:45:03 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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