Ron Paul is Pro-choice

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[EternalVigilance]

But the question you need to answer is whether a state could legalize murder, and still be within the Constitutional mandate to provide a republican form of government. I say “absolutely not.” In fact, I consider it silly to claim otherwise.

[TBP]

The Constitution prohibits the taking of any person’s life without due process of law. Abortion comes under that provision.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle."

"In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn."

STATEMENT OF FAITH BY RON PAUL

RON PAUL LIBRARY - ABORTION AND STEM CELL RESEARCH

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

This is a lot of conservatives' positions. It was Fred Thompson's too I believe.

Yeah, it's amazing that Fred's abortion stand was vociferously defended, but Paul is somehow pro-abortion. Nevermind the fact that Paul actually witnessed a live fetus sitting in some garbage can when he was completing his residency at Henry Ford hospital in Detroit. Even Huckabee supported the states' rights concept for abortion back in 2005.

[EternalVigilance]

How do you square that with this?

"While Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid." - Ron Paul

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

But he’s not going to be president.

Most of McCain's delegates are uncommitted.

McCain also doesn't have the money to compete against Hillary or Obama. He's strapped by FEC regulations.

While I'll admit that Paul has Powerball Lottery odds of becoming the nominee, he's not completely out of it entirely.

[ovrtaxt]

It’s a state’s rights issue. However, he has stated that since the lives of millions of children are at stake, he would compromise his principles and support a Federal abortion ban. I can respect that.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

"While Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid."

It still usurps state powers. Paul is right.

Look, we've been down this road before, me, you, ReaganMan, and other FReepers on these abortion threads all last summer. As much as I want a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion, it simply isn't going to happen in this political climate. If you return the issue to the states, more babies will be saved immediately rather than waiting around for a constitutional amendment which could take years.

[EternalVigilance]

You don’t get it. Without the established national principle of the unalienable right to life, you’ve “won” nothing. The cornerstone of the foundation of American liberty is still destroyed.

[EternalVigilance]

It’s a state’s rights issue.

I've asked it of innumerable posters who take your position, and never gotten a satisfactory answer, but here goes again:

Which other unalienable rights do you think the states should somehow have a right to alienate?

[TheBattman]

Actually - Ron Paul’s view on abortion is nearly identical to Fred Thompson (you know, the guy that many had hopes of voting for back at the beginning of this election fiasco)...

They both believe that it is a state issue. While I don’t subscribe, I can completely understand where they get the idea. They are probably correct in a perfect world where courts actually don’t try to write legislation and change the laws and constitution.

I don’t consider that to be a “Pro-Choice” platform.

Anyway - isn’t it a bit late to be attacking him? After all, he wont the Republican Primary for his Congressional seat, and there is no Dem opposition... And he has no way of getting the POTUS nomination.... so why attack now?

[ovrtaxt]

You’re talking to a guy who believes that the Civil War was fought primarily as a Federalist power grab, slavery being only a peripheral reason.

It’s not that I’m pro slavery or pro baby killing, quite the opposite- it’s that I really am that cynical of politicians and their lust for control over free citizens.

[EternalVigilance]

The Declaration, in what is rightfully called our "founding paragraph," states that the protection of our God-given rights to life and liberty are the very reason for existence of government.

Our politics was once predicated on that premise.

It must become so again, if we are ever to restore this free republic.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

[EternalVigilance]

Do you agree with what the Constitution says is the purpose of that Constitution:

“To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves AND OUR POSTERITY.”

Or is it all about us; our wants; our desires; our needs?

Because it is obvious that the Founders put your rights on an equal plane with their own...

[EternalVigilance]

I would ask all readers of this thread to note that some very simple, but fundamental questions that I’ve asked on this thread remain unanswered by those who have unfortunately bought the “states’ rights trump unalienable rights” lie.

[JerseyHighlander]

That entire podcast is utterly retarded.

You should go ask the moderators of FR to ban this account and you should sign up under a new nick, because you have embarrassed yourself beyond the pale.

[nicmarlo]

Which other unalienable rights do you think the states should somehow have a right to alienate?

My understanding is that Ron Paul acknowledges that the fetus (a child) is alive. By that definition, it has the right to live and is already given that right under the Constitution.

The Constitution does not dictate "social issues". An abortion is the ending of life by force. Therefore, it should be states which decide and dictate those social/life-ending by force issues (as it also does with the death penalty (or lack thereof). There is no federal law concerning the method of ending that life, or if it is "allowed." That is also left to the states.

[nicmarlo]

A Republic, If You Can Keep It

Statement of HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS

Last year the House made a serious error by trying to federalize the crime of killing a fetus occurring in an act of violence. The stated goal was to emphasize that the fetus deserved legal protection under the law. And indeed it should and does-at the state level. Federalizing any act of violence is unconstitutional; essentially all violent acts should be dealt with by the states.

[EternalVigilance]

Every officer of the United States swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution: a document that lays down at its beginning its ultimate purpose...the securing of the Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

The right to life is the preeminent right. Without it, all other rights become meaningless.

Murder, aka the taking of an innocent human life, is an abrogation of our Constitution and is a violation of the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.

This “states’ rights trumps the right to life” lie is destructive of the very premises of the moral, legal and political arguments that are necessary to the permanent end of the abortion holocaust in America.

[EternalVigilance]

Gosh. You’re making my case for me. Thanks.